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Iran says U.S. report a "declaration of surrender"

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Source: Reuters
Dec. 16, 2007

Once again Irans president Mahmoud Ahmademonjihad opens his big fat mouth. He said on Sunday "the publication of a U.S. intelligence report saying Iran had halted a nuclear weapons program in 2003 amounted to a "declaration of surrender" by Washington in its row with Tehran.

When will the rest of the world start to take this guy serious when he says things like "We will wipe Israel off the map".

Now, after this latest statement is there any doubt that Ahmadinejad is not dealing with a full deck of cards. Were going to dick around and do nothing and this fool is attempting to facilitate the return of the 12th Imam.

read more about it here

Iran says U.S. report a declaration of surrender | Politics | Reuters
 
God this guy is a ****ing loon. We seriously should start considering backing the pro-democracy groups in that country to take him and the Supreme Leader down. Iran has become an even bigger threat with Plutonium-235 Putin being all nice and chummy with him.
 
Point 1) The USA has neither the troops nor the wherewithall to as you so succinctly say 'Put this guy down'
Point 2) Just how would you suggest he be put down?
Point 3) Russia with Mr. Putin at it's helm will rapidly turn Russia back into a country such as the Soviet Union was.
Namely a State controlled by it's security services.
 
Now, after this latest statement is there any doubt that Ahmadinejad is not dealing with a full deck of cards. Were going to dick around and do nothing and this fool is attempting to facilitate the return of the 12th Imam.

With what military? The one that is overextended and overworked as it is? Taking on 3 wars could be statistically possible. Is it realistic to put our men and women in not one but three zones of conflict? We bring down Mahmoud and then what? Operation Stay in Iran? Not only would that signify WWIII with half the Middle East but it would also mean a total collapse of the U.S. as we know it. We're already in enough sh!t as it is. It doesn't make sense to start another sh!t storm.
 
With what military? The one that is overextended and overworked as it is? Taking on 3 wars could be statistically possible. Is it realistic to put our men and women in not one but three zones of conflict? We bring down Mahmoud and then what? Operation Stay in Iran? Not only would that signify WWIII with half the Middle East but it would also mean a total collapse of the U.S. as we know it. We're already in enough sh!t as it is. It doesn't make sense to start another sh!t storm.


There you go again, I never said a damn thing about invading Iran, did I? I suggest strategic air strikes and it dosn't have to be by us. Israel is the one being threatened. We should support them in the effort to stop this mad man before its to late.

If we do nothing and he makes good on his promise to wipe Israel off the map people like you will blame America saying it was our fault for being in the middle east. And blame Israel for existing. Either way the blame America first crowd will do just that no matter what happens. Even if this mad man nukes a sovereign nation.
 
Hmmmm? If Iran had halted its nuclear weapons program, wouldnt that be seen as the surrender? If Iran has not stopped its nuclear program, the US declaration that he had could be seen as our surrender.
 
I think there is enough of a swelling of secularists in Iran that will eventually bring the islamic fundamentalists.We should support fully those in Iran who wish to do this hopefully we will see the backof this crazy little ****.
 
God this idiot makes it hard for me to defend their right to sovereignty and their right, as a sovereign nation, to generate their own power. As well as their right as a sovereign nation to develop weapons to defend themselves as so many other countries have.

I still defend the *nation*, but I'd like to go bitch slap their leader atm.
 
God this idiot makes it hard for me to defend their right to sovereignty and their right, as a sovereign nation, to generate their own power. As well as their right as a sovereign nation to develop weapons to defend themselves as so many other countries have.

I still defend the *nation*, but I'd like to go bitch slap their leader atm.

If you where president would your like to have the legacy of being the one who allowed Iran to go nuclear.
 
God this idiot makes it hard for me to defend their right to sovereignty and their right, as a sovereign nation, to generate their own power. As well as their right as a sovereign nation to develop weapons to defend themselves as so many other countries have.

???? so the Non proliferation treaties which gave Iran the technology, contingent on abiding by certain restrictions, are meaningless?
 
With what military? The one that is overextended and overworked as it is? Taking on 3 wars could be statistically possible. Is it realistic to put our men and women in not one but three zones of conflict? We bring down Mahmoud and then what?

If Iraq has taught us anything, it would be to destroy Irans nuclear program from the air, and then let the iranians sort things out.
 
You guys are right. Obviously the Iranian president making a snarky taunt is grounds for war. :roll:

Seriously...have neoconservatives simply lost their minds?
 
If you where president would your like to have the legacy of being the one who allowed Iran to go nuclear.

Allow? You mean the legacy of letting other sovereign nations do their own thing as long as they're not hurting us? Yes. I would love to have that legacy.

???? so the Non proliferation treaties which gave Iran the technology, contingent on abiding by certain restrictions, are meaningless?
The NPT doesn't forbid nuclear power, first off. Secondly, they should just back out of the treaty if they've changed their minds.
 
I didn't realize we were at war with Iran. Makes it tough to surrender when you haven't even fought. Mahmoud is like that little punk on the street corner that glares at you. You know you could beat his ***, but you keep walking past him. And he turns to his friends and he says "yeah, you see that. he's afraid of me. I totally would have kicked his *** if we fought"
 
I fail to see the big deal.

Is America so insecure today that this is going to bug us?
 
If Iraq has taught us anything, it would be to destroy Irans nuclear program from the air, and then let the iranians sort things out.

What about the repercussions?
 
I didn't realize we were at war with Iran. Makes it tough to surrender when you haven't even fought. Mahmoud is like that little punk on the street corner that glares at you. You know you could beat his ***, but you keep walking past him. And he turns to his friends and he says "yeah, you see that. he's afraid of me. I totally would have kicked his *** if we fought"

They. Have. Been. At. War. With. Us. Since. 1979.

We just refuse to believe it and they've allowed us that illusion while they've steadily continued plotting to knock us out.

What would you do if there was a big, dumb, slow witted enemy that continually foiled your plans for expansion?

You would take steps to cripple them in one final match where you were 100% certain to win.

"We do not worship Iran. We worship Allah...For patriotism is another name for paganism. I say let this land (Iran) burn. I say let this land go up in smoke, provided Islam emerges triumphant in the rest of the world."

-- Ayatollah Khomeini

And if winning meant that you might die but that your 'side' would win, you would take your time and make sure you played your cards well until everything was in place.
 
We were not talking about nuclear power.

As well as their right as a sovereign nation to develop weapons to defend themselves as so many other countries have.
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I was talking about both, hence my reference to both in both of my posts. If Iran wishes to develop nuclear weapons, then they should simply back out of the treaty that was signed. I don't see an issue.

Regardless, it's not as if other countries (including the US) haven't been in violation of the NPT. The entire treaty should just be dissolved.
 
???? so the Non proliferation treaties which gave Iran the technology, contingent on abiding by certain restrictions, are meaningless?

They are if they are ignored and the controls with which those restrictions are to be enforced are routinely circumvented.
 
There would be serious blowback from bombing Iran not to talk it of the realms of possibilities but Iran still a fair way of enriching uranium as a reality.I am optimistic with Iran i think there is alot of people opposed to theocracy within it also Iran.Also sunni's are against Iran having a nuclear capability.So i think when they are backed into a corner there will be an uprising within.
 
Source: Reuters
Dec. 16, 2007

Once again Irans president Mahmoud Ahmademonjihad opens his big fat mouth. He said on Sunday "the publication of a U.S. intelligence report saying Iran had halted a nuclear weapons program in 2003 amounted to a "declaration of surrender" by Washington in its row with Tehran.

When will the rest of the world start to take this guy serious when he says things like "We will wipe Israel off the map".

Now, after this latest statement is there any doubt that Ahmadinejad is not dealing with a full deck of cards. Were going to dick around and do nothing and this fool is attempting to facilitate the return of the 12th Imam.

read more about it here

Iran says U.S. report a declaration of surrender | Politics | Reuters

It disappoints me to see that no one has touched upon two other possibilities for Ahmadinejad's proclamation.

When you are squaring off with an opponent and don't really want to fight or if you have been fighting but no longer want to continue the fight one way to back out of it is to declare yourself the winner, in effect what WI Crippler said.

Remember in the 2005 Israeli/Hezbollah War when Hezbollah got their asses kicked but declared themselves the victor? Typical posturing when you want to stop fighting and save face. Also, typical Jihadist tactic to declare victory even upon a defeat.

Though this isn't or wasn't an eyeball to eyeball confrontation, if it had been, Ahmadinejad would have been said to have blinked first. And sanity and peace would have been the victor.

So maybe he is waving the "White Flag."

Or, the second possibility is that maybe he just wants us to think he is.

He MIGHT be trying to give the anti-war effort ammo to use toward persuading the UN and Western governments around the world, particularly the US, a reason to drop any plans for attacking Iran's nuclear facilities. And by the same token, if we are no longer looking as critically at Iran's nuclear progress they might be able to make more progress and maybe catch the West napping.

And Middle Eastern expert, Daniel Pipes, says that the NIE has effectively announced the end of our sanctions program.

The 2007 NIE has effectively terminated Option #1, convincing the Iranians themselves to halt their nuclear program, because this route requires wide external agreement. When key countries banded together to pass Security Council Resolution 1737 in December 2006, it caused the Iranian leadership to respond with caution and fear; but the NIE's soothing conclusion undercuts such widespread cooperation and pressure. When Washington pressures some Western states, Russia, China, and the IAEA, they can pull it out of the drawer, wave it in the Americans' faces, and refuse to cooperate. Worse, the NIE has sent a signal to the apocalyptic-minded leadership in Tehran that the danger of external sanctions has ended, that it can go undisturbed about its bomb-building business.

But Pipes concludes that despite Iran's pronouncements for the world's press the NIE report has seriously undermined the intended purpose of the dimwitted (undoubtedly liberal) bureaucraps who prepared and released it.

In short, with Option #1 undermined and Option #3 unacceptable, Option #2 – war carried out by either U.S. or Israeli forces – becomes the more probable. Thus have short-sighted, small-minded, blatantly partisan intelligence bureaucrats, trying to hide unpleasant realities, helped engineer their own nightmare.

FrontPage Magazine
 
There you go again, I never said a damn thing about invading Iran, did I? I suggest strategic air strikes and it dosn't have to be by us. Israel is the one being threatened. We should support them in the effort to stop this mad man before its to late.

If we do nothing and he makes good on his promise to wipe Israel off the map people like you will blame America saying it was our fault for being in the middle east. And blame Israel for existing. Either way the blame America first crowd will do just that no matter what happens. Even if this mad man nukes a sovereign nation.

We do air strikes, then we had better be committed to a draft and whatever else it takes to invade Iran, because the Straits of Hormuz will be completely shut down, and our carrier fleet in the Gulf will be sunk. Russia has supplied Iran with state of the art radar-evading cruise missles, and there is no doubt that Iran would use every one of them, in addition to their own vast arsenal of missiles, if they are attacked. Iran is not Iraq. If we attack them, then we had better be prepared to commit to a REAL war.
 
We do air strikes, then we had better be committed to a draft and whatever else it takes to invade Iran, because the Straits of Hormuz will be completely shut down, and our carrier fleet in the Gulf will be sunk. Russia has supplied Iran with state of the art radar-evading cruise missles, and there is no doubt that Iran would use every one of them, in addition to their own vast arsenal of missiles, if they are attacked. Iran is not Iraq. If we attack them, then we had better be prepared to commit to a REAL war.

I agree.I think we have to do are best to support the secularists within Iran.
 
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