That's a weak comparison. Photographers do indeed facilitate the wedding. Forcing them do photograph the wedding is a gross act of intolerant bigotryPhotographers don't facilitate weddings. They document them. It would be like the authors of the books of the bible refusing to do so because sins were documented in the books.
I'm in the minority so your argument failsGranted, if you're in the majority it's a pretty toothless threat. If you're in the minority you can find yourself marginalized from society, business, investment...education, which creates a much larger problem for the minority in question.
Let's look at the reality. A business owner tells a customer he does not sell products or offer services for same sex weddings. That's it. Nothing more, nothing less. He makes no effort to stop the wedding, or interfere in the wedding or to punish the wedding participants.
On the other hand, the same sex couple sets out to punish the business owner by having the state force the owner to act against his wishes or pay fines and penalties even to the point of driving the owner out of business.
One party wants to control his own business based on his own beliefs. The same sex couple wants to harm the business owner based on their beliefs.
Her's a tip. If that same sex couple wants to harm someone because they don't agree with their beliefs and comply with their wishes, the same sex couple are the intolerant bigots
And yet they are being discriminated against, by governments. Kudos to Mike Pence for standing up for freedomThis made me laugh.
"People of conscience". Religious people have no more conscience than anyone else.
That's a weak comparison. Photographers do indeed facilitate the wedding. Forcing them do photograph the wedding is a gross act of intolerant bigotry
That is exactly what they're doing. If a business owner declines to do business for certain events based on his personal beliefs, he is punished to the point of being forced out of business. That is a discrimination of sorts that some people find acceptable
I'm in the minority so your argument fails
Better yet, let's quit trying to pretend that the anti-discrimination laws are anything but intolerant bigotrySo the gays are to blame for public accommodation laws? :lol:
Quit trying to pretend that these business owners are poor defenseless victims. They could simply become a private club and they could discriminate 'til the Klansmen come home.
How much therapy will a same sex couple require if they have to interview an alternate photographer?That poor photographer. It will probably take years of therapy to overcome the trauma. Such a victim.
That poor photographer. It will probably take years of therapy to overcome the trauma. Such a victim.
And yet they are being discriminated against, by governments. Kudos to Mike Pence for standing up for freedom
If a business owner is punished for running his business according to his personal beliefs, yes, it's discrimination, bigotry at its worstFalse again. That is not the government discriminating, that is the business owner discriminating - the government basically says treat all customers equally - whatever you offer for sale to one customer, you must offer for sale to another customer.
Better yet, let's quit trying to pretend that the anti-discrimination laws are anything but intolerant bigotry
How much therapy will a same sex couple require if they have to interview an alternate photographer?
I don't believe that the constitution grants the federal government any powers that would give them a say in the matter.This will clearly be declared unconstitutional if for nothing else being impractical in practice unless there's a companion bill that requires gay people to wear the scarlet letter.
Can I get a witness?
Hiding behind religion to practice bigotry is a crock of chit. If they held their religious convictions so strongly they wouldn't be open. They would have to refuse service to all "sinners".
Yes, exactly. The federal government's power to intrude on the rights of business owners in this area is very limited in scope. The only reason they have any power at all is because of some creative interpretation of the interstate commerce clause.I don't profess to be a US Constitution expert, but doesn't the Commerce Clause give government the right to do just that - determine the laws and regulations under which intrastate and interstate commerce may be conducted?
Rock on guys.....rock on. :roll:
You do know Black ministers are angry at the Gay agenda for stealing their civil rights thunder? They don't find it humorous.
Then I have to patronize businesses that don't discriminate against me. Problem solved
I am an atheist in a mixed race marriage and I think private, non-essential businesses should be able to discriminate for whatever stupid reason they want. And we have the right to publicly shame them out of business. I sure don't want a theocracy.
Reagan ignoring AIDS until he absolutely couldn't anymore.
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