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Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

US Conservative said:
In the context of this law, its particularly ironic.
The left introduced RFRA, and this bill was an unintended consequence of that.

They dont like the results, so now they are up in arms. :lol:
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How interesting!


That's even lamer than the socialists here, who blow elections and at least appear to accept responsibility.

But as an observer I have to note, that when after the news that millions would lose their plans, and millions more found out it was not affordable, did the right wing say reverse the election?

The left in the US is weaker than I thought. And of course, there's those unintended consequences again, like Obamacare, like Libya, pulling out of Iraq...we see short term reasoning and no long term thinking. There was a premier in this province, held the reigns of power from 1952 to 1971 named W.A.C. Bennett, who was found of saying "socialists couldn't run a lemonade stand and make a profit if the lemons were free"

A very wise man as it turns out
 
NIMBY said:
Arkansas Governor Hutchison now changes mind on signing his own state's bill that he said he would previously sign.
Think WAL-MART may have changed his mind ?
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Arkansas Governor Asks Legislators to Recall Religious Freedom Bill

Arkansas governor: Bill needs changes before I sign it

Arkansas passes an even worse RFRA law than Indiana ... even voting on this bill as Indiana is withering under a national ass kicking.

Lol. What a collection of politically obtuse dumb asses.
 
Jack Hays said:
Greetings, Polgara.:2wave:

Sadly, the liars seem to have won this round, but the fix is not difficult. Hate to see this in my native state.:shock:
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Liars have won this round?
Tell Gov. Hutchison in Arkansas he is a liar.

I have many wonderful memories in my neighboring state of Indiana, especially in beautiful Brown County,
where we would go to Bill Monroe's Bluegrass Festival back in the day.

And, my wife and I STILL go to rock concerts near Noblesville--she loved Heart and put up with Def Leppard .
 
maxparrish said:
You might remind him that none of the signs say "No FAGS Served Here".

That alone conveys the overwrought hysteria of the gay lobby and their fellow travlers.
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Would you be opposed to those types of signs going up?
 
HenryChinaski said:
It's very relevant in that these types of signs can now start dotting businesses throughout Indiana, but having "Negro" replaced with "gay" and/or "homo's". And to the second bolded, straight up strawman.
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has it happened?


Man the slippery slope argument transposed to ssm and racism!

You realize how patently obvious you are?

The slippery slope argument doesn't work in the first place, let alone the stretch to signs in stores...anything, no matter how irrational is thrown into the mix.
 
HenryChinaski said:
It's very relevant in that these types of signs can now start dotting businesses throughout Indiana, but having "Negro" replaced with "gay" and/or "homo's". And to the second bolded, straight up strawman.
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The "No blacks" signs were in response to govt mandates-typically signed in by democrats. Blacks had to sit at the back of the bus not because the bus company or individuals wanted them there-but because of the law.

To compare that to a law that allows private citizens and businesses to not provide services that violate a deeply held religious conviction (citing laws introduced by the left, ironically) is the strawman.

The left would do better in trying to repeal the federal RFRA, passed by democrats.

Speaking more broadly-as the left continues to advance its agenda through the coercion of govt-it can expect more of this type of reaction to said laws. Get used to it.
 
Dunno, Lets take a road trip through Indiana and see. Would you be surprised if it has? I would be surprised if it hasn't.
 

Oh yes. I remember when Liberace could play Vegas but was not allowed to stay there. I remember the "Hetrosexuals only" "Fag entrance" and "We don't serve fruits" days. ...

oh wait, I forgot to take my meds.
 
Fearandloathing said:
WTF does "was" have anything to do with the current debate?
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Read the thread, and more importantly the post I responded to. It will help you a bit. Wait, the person I responded to already explained how it was relevant.

I suspect you'd have a problem with someone refusing service to someone who couldn't pay
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Being unable to pay and being of a different skin color are incredibly different. Do I need to explain why?
 
maxparrish said:
Oh yes. I remember when Liberace could play Vegas but was not allowed to stay there. I remember the "Hetrosexuals only" "Fag entrance" and "We don't serve fruits" days. ...

oh wait, I forgot to take my meds.
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Predictable trashy response.
 
HenryChinaski said:
Dunno, Lets take a road trip through Indiana and see. Would you be surprised if it has? I wouldn't be surprised if it hasn't.
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Lets see?


Next time have some facts instead of creating a straw man monster.

Slippery slope does not exist, marijuana is not a "gateway" drug and prohibition of anything has never worked. These are facts of life, the opposite is myth spun out of whole cloth.....
 

This is why the left seeks to consolidate power centrally, so they can force their agenda on everyone.
Which is precisely why I am against that.

Just as troubling, when a law THEY impose does not suit them, then its time to call others names, and claim that the law does not mean what it says, but what they feel it ought to mean. :lol:

There will (and has already been) much hissing and spitting, which just makes the irony all the more delicious.
 
One of my brothers has gone to Indiana Dunes for decades.
My wife likes to avoid the crowds, so we hit the Dunes further up the Michigan coastline.
P.J. Hoffmaster State Park was an awesome vacation.

Folks in Indiana have always treated us great--so many trips across 80/90 to the Northeast of ME, NH, and VT.
My other brother has family on multiple sides in Indianapolis.

Off-topic, California's governor has just called for mandatory water rationing--the most pressing problem I see in the USA.
And I do have solutions--retired chemistry/physics teachers usually do.
And we aren't even close to fire season yet.
My first reaction is to build a desalination plant.
My long-term solution is an interstate system of water pipelines to closely follow our roadways and railways .

 
You are incorrect. The baker didn't refuse to sell a cake to a person BECAUSE they were gay. There is a difference between refusing to serve gays and refusing to sell your services to the furtherance of a gay event. The former is a form of bigotry, the latter a matter of conscience. Liberals just have a very tough time telling the two apart because so few things are a matter of conscience to them
 

:spin:
 
US Conservative said:
The law does NOT require businesses to refuse services to gays. Not even bakeries.
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How many times and different ways can you say the law merely prevents stores from being SUED!

You want to know what?

It's kind of the same here. No suit boys and girls and likely NO money....you get to go before a human rights commission and explain how your "Charter Rights" the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms, have been infringed or violated. And ladies and gents, NOT attending a wedding is not going to be given the light of day even though the commission is heavily favored toward liberals and socialists.

But I suspect this takes their collective mind of Obama and the train wreck that is Hillary
 

Style, noise, and feelings over the facts of the matter and pro-left propaganda spread far and wide in over-coverage in the news BLSM.

Textbook libbo operation!
 
Fearandloathing said:
Lets see?
Slippery slope does not exist, marijuana is not a "gateway" drug and prohibition of anything has never worked.
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I agree that prohibition of anything has never worked.
Which is why I tried my best for 33 years of full-time teaching and now 6 years of continued coaching and tutoring to instill MODERATION.
This has always been the most dangerous time of the year for the teens and 20-somethings--with spring-breaks, proms, and then graduation parties.

As for gateway drugs, I'll use my example to the kids, "The Needle and the Damage Done", by Neil Young.
When we did have "talk time" after a tough lesson, I'd let them replace 'needle' with their own word as far as a 'gateway' is concerned.
The only conclusion I could ever make is that every person has their own 'gateway' .
 

just like i said when you made this false claim in the other thread:
by definition it is in fact pure bigotry

its the same type of bigotry as i serve blacks but only if they come to the back door and eat, they cant come through the front because they are lessers and not as good as white

or the same bigotry as I hire women but Ill never make them a boss because they are lessers and not as good as men

i serve gays but i dont give them wedding cakes because they are lessers and not worthy of marriage

by definition its bigotry

feelings, opinions, conscience and religion etc doesnt change the definition of bigotry
 
US Conservative said:
The left would do better in trying to repeal the federal RFRA, passed by democrats.
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That law was originally passed to protect religious minorities ... like Native Americans smoking peyote in a religious ceremony. LGBT wasn't even on the scene then.

But this originally noble legislation is being manipulated 20 years later for totally different effects.
 

Define bigotry. A dictionary definition please, not what you want it to be. Then explain how me not baking a cake for a gay wedding is bigotry.
 
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