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For crying out loud are you both being purposefully dense?
Clown boy, you said you watch Big Bang theory, so you should know who Sheldon is.
HarinSeldon, YOU should know what the Foundation series is.
Jesus.
Nonsense, and one AgentJ is enough for any forum. You weren't bandying about any facts, or even talking about this bill. I'll refresh your memory:
Is this the part of the thread where the republicans will tell you proudly -- it was THEY who help push the CRA of 1964 law through and champion with glee it was they who get to take credit for it?
Oh yeah, that happens in the other threads.
So long as those bakers did not write those messages on cakes for anyone, then they are being "tolerant". Did they refuse to bake him a cake or cookie for his opposite sex wedding? Did they tell him that they were refusing his requested item because of his religion? No. There is no intolerance there. Taken the other way. Has a baker (in the US) been taken to court or fined or even accused of discrimination due to refusing to bake a cake with the words "gay marriage is okay" or "support gay/same sex marriage" on it?
He made it perfectly clear that the cake was for an upcoming celebration of traditional marriage. The bakers who stated they did not do same sex wedding cakes and had never done one before were considered discriminating. You can't have your cake and eat it too!
You could have just told me you were talking ABOUT Sheldon, a character on BBT, when I first QUOTED your post.
What's wrong about that?
When you said "everything" - you only meant that post?
Greetings, Roguenuke. :2wave:
I'm sorry, but that sounds like a story made up by someone with a grudge against that bakery. It doesn't make sense for any business to turn down a paying customer if the facts are as you relate. Something else must have happened that hasn't been told. How did the baker know their sexual leanings? Had the baker previously told them they were not welcome in his bakery because of obnoxious behavior on their part in the past? Were they demanding, rude and/or nasty in their attitude? There are always two sides to every story. Lots of people think they are entitled to act any way they like - we see them all the time at the mall, for instance. I just don't know what to believe here.
He made it perfectly clear that the cake was for an upcoming celebration of traditional marriage. The bakers who stated they did not do same sex wedding cakes and had never done one before were considered discriminating. You can't have your cake and eat it too!
Did he mention religion or his religion at all?
Let me get this straight, your premise is that if an anti-gay marriage bakers tells a someone he as a policy does not bake cakes for gay weddings, thats ok?
Go back, see that little image after the sentence? Now whatever can that mean? Yikes dude. :doh
I believe 3 out of all the bakeries he spoke with offered to bake a cake but not decorate it with the words "Gay Marriage is Wrong". They just outright refused and found it offensive. But you seem to miss the irony completely. The one asking for the cake doesn't see the phrase "Gay Marriage is Wrong" to be offensive as it is part of his religious beliefs that traditional marriage is holy matrimony and some faiths believe it to be one of the sacraments. He was denied a service over his religious beliefs. Yet a person whose moral conscience doesn't want to do gay wedding cakes is forced to under fear of jail, fines etc.
While surfing the web today, I discovered there are lawsuits against gay bakers who refused to provide a cake that did not support gay marriage.
One such case was an order for an open Bible with this symbol placed on the cake.
The gay baker refused to do it. Now there are cases in our court system of gay bakers being sued for denying a cake with a Scripture pertaining to sexual sin or symbolism
You see, I think the gay baker has the right to deny a service that offends them. But I also believe those of religious convictions where gay marriage is an abomination to their faith should not be forced to create something for a person that they find offensive.
No he didn't. He said it was a cake to support traditional marriage, not for a "traditional" marriage/wedding celebration. The very first phone call was to a place that didn't even make wedding cakes or any cakes for that matter, but rather big cookies, which she told him several times before she finally went off on him. And there is no more a such thing as "same sex wedding cake" then there is "interracial wedding cakes" or "Muslim wedding cakes" or "Christian wedding cakes". The couple did not ask for a "same sex wedding cake". They asked simply for a wedding cake, which the bakery sold. They were denied due to their relative sexes, not because the bakery didn't make such cakes.
Has anyone checked how many bakeries they are in any major city or small town? Go ahead and look and come back to tell me the results.
If businesses boycott the state because of the law, they're discriminating. Same with other states banning travel to Indiana. It's discriminationShow that this is actually happening. Anyone can refuse to make a cake with wording on it that they feel is hurtful, wrong, etc., so long as they refuse to do so for everyone.
If businesses boycott the state because of the law, they're discriminating. Same with other states banning travel to Indiana. It's discrimination
The bakeries this man called except one made all occasion cakes which is what he was asking for. And yes he did state about an upcoming event in the coming weeks to celebrate traditional marriage. If the baker stayed on the line long enough he shared his views that he believed marriage to be between a man and a woman. The irony is in black and white not fifty shades of grey.
If businesses boycott the state because of the law, they're discriminating. Same with other states banning travel to Indiana. It's discrimination
I live in a small town. One bakery.
Not another one for 30 miles.
What is the point?
Where in the hell do you people live?
Nope. The cake is being denied due to the sexuality/sexes of the people ordering the cake, not the content of the cake, when the baker refuses to sell them a cake based on them being of the same sex, homosexual.
This is an attempt at spin. It failed.
And he doesn't have to mention his religion. Even if they had assumed his religion and denied him the cake based off that, it would have been illegal discrimination. But that is not what happened. They refused to bake a cake they did not make for anyone. They would not write those words on a cake for any customer, which is why the man in question was denied service for that request.
Greetings, Vesper. :2wave:
:agree: My first thought is why anyone would visit numerous bakeries in the first place. It sounds like they were looking for a reason to file a lawsuit, and perhaps make some easy money. Why didn't they just go with the first bakery that agreed to bake and decorate their cake the way they wanted? Was this a research project for someone with an agenda? It just sounds suspicious to me that anyone would take the time to do this, just out of curiousity.
In places lots of people live in the country.
Small towns. Yanno?
Or what I call -- paradise.
He said that it was to celebrate "pro-traditional marriage", not a traditional marriage. He was not requesting a wedding cake. And bakeries are free to refuse to serve someone if the person asks for something put on, written on, drawn on the cake that they find offensive, simply do not wish to do. There is no "irony" at all here. It is one idiot being hailed by those who believe it should be okay for bakeries to refuse service to gays because he tried (and failed) to show these bakeries were hypocritical or something else. He wasn't being honest with those bakeries (no one would look for a cake from bakeries in different states, these were in different states), and they are free to refuse service to anyone, so long as the refusal is not based on a classification of the person protected by law. They did not refuse service to him based on his religion, his race, his sex, his sexuality, or any other protected classification. The bakeries, Sweet cakes by Melissa and Masterpiece cakeshop both refused service and stated that they were refusing service to the people ordering the wedding cakes because they were of the same sex, homosexual. Not one of the bakeries he asked specifically stated he was being refused service for such a reason.
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