that isn't how tolerance works or did you not know that:roll:
they have distorted the definition into something else.these people that spout tolerance don't even know the definition of tolerance.
New York City has lots of pizzerias, I've never heard of any of them refusing to cater gay weddings. Does that surprise anyone?
You're assuming that the kid would have a reason to be scared. Can you provide proof that even these people in the Pizzaria would harm or threaten that gay kid in that town?
Coertion(sic)?? Listen, if you make **** pizza I'm not going to eat at your pizzeria. And I'm going to tell my friends your pizza is ****. They and I will eat elsewhere. That's not coercion. That's called capitalism.
Similarly, if your pizzeria hates the gays, I wont eat there. I'll tell my friends too, and they wont eat there. The market speaks: discrimination against homosexuals is not a good business decision.
New York City has lots of pizzerias, I've never heard of any of them refusing to cater gay weddings. Does that surprise anyone?
You really think some of those old school gooombahs italian catholics are all pro-gay?
even today?
Freedom is definitely a one-way street these days.
Apparently, we all have the freedom to do whatever liberals say we can do.
1) You are talking about harm to commerce......
And zoning laws are not about protecting the environment
Wrong.
And I don't want to derail this into a discussion about MJ but allowing the sale of it does not inhibit commerce. It has the opposite effect.
Regulating consumers in such a way has never been considered a legitimate exercise of govt power in this country (nor in many others) which is why the constitution does not give the govt such a power.
I'm not sure that is true.
My business is interstate, not intrastate, but my point is.......
I personally believe that every business that is open to the public should be required to serve the entire public.
I like what Robert Green Ingersoll had to say about tolerance: "Tolerance is giving to every other human being every right that you claim for yourself."
well name one thing of value religion contributes in the 21st century
and i'm talking the bronze age book of fables known as the bible - what these small town yokels cling to - not pantheism, deism, jainism or hell, even nihilism might have more utility
It's a small midwest town and my own experiences with small midwest towns leaves me to believe that is the likelihood. Can you prove that's not the case? No, of course, since neither know anyone there much less a gay kid to ask
Although i'm sure you would dismiss it as cowardly paranoia anyway
Should businesses be able to refuse Christians?
An Indiana pizzeria remained closed on Wednesday, embroiled in a national debate after its owners said that they would not cater gay marriages due to their religious beliefs.
Read the article here: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed
I don't claim to be an expert on this, but how many gay weddings are followed up by pizza parties? :roll:
My guess is that these people are declining to serve people who would never be their customers.
There was nothing illegal done or suggested by the pizza shop ownersWhat tolerance are you suggesting?
Are you suggesting peopled should let others illegally discriminate, break the law and or violate the rights of others ?
what other things would you suggest this for?
not hiring or promoting women simply because they are women?
vandalism?
assault?
rape?
theft?
should people that believe in equal rights and civility tolerate those things too?
Completely off topic but please - stop calling or labeling the bible a "bronze age book" as none of it was composed during that period (c. 3000 - 1200 BCE) and much of it was written down after the Iron Age (c. 1200 - 550 BCE)
Should businesses be able to refuse Christians?
Never said otherwise. But for the people involved, religion is a factor. Whether you want to admit it or not religion does have value. Maybe not to you. But it does to others.
If they want to yes.
If they want to yes.
if you want to focus only on the people involved, religion has done far more harm than good. Gay rights is only one clear example of that
well name one thing of value religion contributes in the 21st century
and i'm talking the bronze age book of fables known as the bible - what these small town yokels cling to - not pantheism, deism, jainism or hell, even nihilism might have more utility
Coertion(sic)?? Listen, if you make **** pizza I'm not going to eat at your pizzeria. And I'm going to tell my friends your pizza is ****. They and I will eat elsewhere. That's not coercion. That's called capitalism.
Similarly, if your pizzeria hates the gays, I wont eat there. I'll tell my friends too, and they wont eat there. The market speaks: discrimination against homosexuals is not a good business decision.
There you go. You admit you would criticize a pizza that you haven't tasted yourself. That is what we're seeing today in the effort to harm people who hold a perspective that goes against the homosexual agenda. Odd isn't it. The pizza owner would make no effort to prevent two homosexuals from getting married, but would not participate in the event. The response in that town is to try to harm the owner and shut his business down? Who are the real bigots?Coertion(sic)?? Listen, if you make **** pizza I'm not going to eat at your pizzeria. And I'm going to tell my friends your pizza is ****. They and I will eat elsewhere. That's not coercion. That's called capitalism.
Similarly, if your pizzeria hates the gays, I wont eat there. I'll tell my friends too, and they wont eat there. The market speaks: discrimination against homosexuals is not a good business decision.
Those two polls are about the same exact subject. We're discussing a completely different subject here. As I said, I support SSM. I have proved that over the years. But I also support the right of a business to discriminate due to their right to association. IE: Right to Marriage and Right to freedom of association. Two different subjects. Neither of which you will find a poll comparing the two to each other.
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