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-Normalization of homosexuality.
-Celebration of historical figures of little merit only to appease race warriors who are badgering the schools to have a more racially diverse curriculum.
-The political and social aspects of environmentalism.
-The nonsense about "diversity is our strength."
-The femininization of male behavior.
-The deemphasis of competition.
-The revision of historical events to align them with a more liberal world view.
-The emphasis in Young Adult Literature on social dysfunction and the deemphasis on tales of historical heroes.
These are just the social malignancies that liberals are introducing into the public schools. Don't even get me started on the pedagogical experiments.
yeah, till the inner city kids start turning up in suburban schools. Then we'll see an end to it right quickly.
Yeah, it's awful that all kinds of people be tolerated, celebrated, and treated equally.
Or, you know, rectifying past tendencies to ignore the achievements of some because of their race. Learning history is about learning what happened, not what you wish happened.
I'm not really sure what you mean. Are you suggesting that there should not be an "Earth Science" class, or that children should not learn about conservation of resources and the delicate interactions of ecosystems? Really, that's two years of science classes out the window, Earth Science and Biology.
Racist overtones aside, isn't a variety of talents a useful thing to have?
A homogeneous group is less able to deal with unexpected problems.
Diversity is actually a strength.
Someone who is only exposed to ideas they already know and agree with doesn't learn anything. We learn by going outside our comfort zone.
Like what?
You mean like making up stories to show that "slavery wasn't so bad", or falsely claiming that Muslims, Jews, and other cultures were not a part of this country since the first settlers landed here in the 1600's
If social dysfunction is the truth (and it has been for ten thousand years), then why shouldn't it be the subject of study?
As for "historical heroes", are you suggesting that we should ignore their flaws and venerate them like gods?
And who exactly are you talking about? Davy Crockett? George Washington? You do know that Washington was a notorious adulterer, right?
You mean the experiments that lead to improvements in teaching styles? The ones that demonstrate ways to help kids learn material and apply it, as opposed to just memorization without understanding?
I'm not sure why you think most of these things are bad.
That may, or may not, be true and in either case it's irrelevant. It's not for liberals to impart their social values onto other people's children. If parents are objecting to this type of socialization being imposed on their children then we've pretty much falsified your position that "Another option is for parents/schools/government to work together for the benefit of our children. There is no reason why this cannot happen."
Now, if you were a teacher and you acted upon these private beliefs, it really wouldn't be kosher. What you're demonstrating, if you're a teacher, is that you have no interest in working together for the benefit of the children by removing all of the social indoctrination that liberals have injected into the system. What you mean by working together is continuing what you're doing and parents shutting up.
I must have missed the answer: How much time do you spend in a classroom on a weekly basis?
That 'if' is huge. The only place I see this kind of comment is on chat boards. I've never heard a parent 'object' to whatever 'this type of socialization' is in a classroom.
Four to six hours per week. Thanks for caring.
That settles it, then. If you haven't seen it then it must not exist. We've all been hallucinating about people camping out in front of public schools which offer a traditional curriculum. We've been hallucinating about the rise in Charter Schools. Everyone is happy with what liberals have done to the public school system.
Never mind about this part of the OP story:
Weeks after Indiana began the nation’s broadest school voucher program, thousands of students have transferred from public to private schools, causing a spike in enrollment at some Catholic institutions that were only recently on the brink of closing for lack of pupils.
Right, and that points out the other problem. Now, instead of being able to go to a so-so school in their own neighborhood, these kids are going to have to ride busses for an hour and a half to go to another school.
No matter how many vouchers are given out, it's a system that can never cover every child. Unless there's actually one for every child, but that would essentially mimic public education. Funneling children out of the public system and removing support for it will weaken it. There's no way around that. Private education can only help some children. The only way to educate all of them is through public education.
Vouchers only help promote a system where education is something only the rich can afford. They are a short term solution that sacrifices the long term gain.
I haven't ever seen anyone camping in front of a school.
As for the sarcasm--it doesn't further dialogue. But it does give me some insight into you.
Cutting funding to public schools does not make them better. Eight years of Mitch Daniels has proved that.
Let's hope Hoosiers figure that out before they elect Pence to attack public schools for the next eight years.
What must it be like to live your life? Nothing exists in the world unless you've experienced or witnessed it personally. What kind of intellect does it take to think that writing "I haven't ever seen anyone camping in front of a school" is a convincing response to a comment? Pity the students who have to be subjected to this type of thinking from a teacher.
Open enrollment for magnet schools at Cincinnati Public doesn't start until Wednesday, but some parents are already camped out to ensure their child gets in.
It's not for schools to impart social attitudes. That's the job of parents. You don't get a say in how other people raise their kids.
That's not what's going on here. What's going on is tokenism. People are elevated because of their identity and not because of their contribution to history.
Kids are sent home to lecture their parents on how not to send lunch for the kids in zip-loc bags. I said nothing about science - I freaking love science. It's the social garbage, the ideological garbage that environmentalists are pushing that has no place in schools. It's ideology.
You honestly think that people of different races have different talents?
You're not accomplishing much here. I too have "benefited" by being subjected to this propaganda in school. I'm not that far removed from being a high school student myself. I know all of the talking points, so you can save your effort at "educating" me. Your claim is one of the propaganda points. Having a black kid in a class or a Muslim kid, for example, adds no unique talent that is held only by blacks or Muslims.
The social science literature disagrees with you. It's a weakness and a pretty profound weakness. Diversity is bad for civic engagement.
But when liberals are pushing the "Diversity is our strength" propaganda line, they're never talking about intellectual diversity, it's always race, culture and gender. New ideas are the spawn of intellectual diversity - different ways of thinking about things. Schools are not keen on fostering this type of diversity, sad to say. Public schools are, for the most part, an intellectual monoculture.
Many schools have removed honor rolls because the implicit message is that those who don't make honor rolls are losers. Anti-competition is a strong force in modern education theory. Pro-cooperation is the new fad these days. Boys are pretty damn competitive. Making them cooperate works against their best interests. Making them read about social dysfunction in their Young Adult Literature turns them off when they want to be reading about heroes and sports legends and the old West figures.
Yup, exactly that stuff. We all know that the Mayflower was brimming over with Muslims but that's not important right now. If I want my kids subjected to cultural sensitivity then I'll do it, I don't need a liberal imposing his agenda on my kids and skewing the historical record in order to create false equivalences.
The mission of an English class is to improve the reading and writing skills of the students, not to preach a position or to educate on social dysfunction. Assigning books which make the eyes of kids roll back into their heads works against the primary mission of the English class. The kids have a lifetime ahead of them to learn about social dysfunction. They can touch on it in health class. They can touch on it in classes designed to address that topic. Injecting "socially relevant literature" in order to push an agenda simply undermines the mission of teaching an English class. Some works with literary merit are fine, when they are age appropriate. They're not the focus of my complaint.
The simple answer to your loaded question is yes. We're not doing enough to create common bonds, shared experiences, cross generational understanding, appreciation for one's history, pride in country. Leftists want to tear down and reveal flaws and minimize history. That's not appropriate for public schooling. When the subject matter so interests someone that they really want to dig into the material, then there are AP classes and college level courses that are perfect for critical examinations and the students would have a greater level of sophistication to analyze the material and weigh the pros and cons.
And why does 8 year old Timmy need to know that and why is it necessary to have 8 year old Timmy getting all the nitty gritty details on what exactly adultery is?
Indeed, but parents usually freak out huge if new forms of violence begin breaking out near their children. Lovejoy and all.
I don't have kids either. Can I get a voucher to buy boating supplies and camera equipment?
Voucher program is nothing but another welfare program for the Rich...It allows the rich to send their kids to private schools and have Taxpayers pay for it....Who wouldn't love that deal!
Government of the rich for the rich by the rich..keep the masses stupid and ignorant so they would ample cheap powerless labor force. It is a great deal no matter how you look at it.
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