Independents souring on impeachment

[trixare4kids]

YouGov is among the polls registering that decline, with independent support for impeachment dropping from 39 percent earlier this month to 35 percent now and opposition increasing from 35 percent to 40 percent.

An Emerson University survey found an even more extreme flip among independents.

In October, independents supported impeachment 48 percent to 35 percent in Emerson’s polling. In the new poll released this week, independents opposed it by a 49 percent to 34 percent margin. In that time, overall support for impeaching Trump swung from 48 percent in favor and 44 percent against to 45 percent in opposition to impeachment and 43 percent in favor.

The latest Morning Consult survey was the third poll released this week to register a flip among independents. That survey also registered a new low among all voters in favor of impeachment at 48 percent.

But perhaps most alarming for Democrats is a new survey of Wisconsin from Marquette University. In Wisconsin, a key swing state in next year’s election, Marquette found that 40 percent supported impeaching Trump and removing him from office, while 53 percent opposed it. In October, before the hearings began, support was at 44 percent and opposition was at 51 percent.

The Marquette survey found Trump leading in Wisconsin against three top Democratic challengers after trailing all of them in the previous poll.

Support for impeachment among Republicans and independents in the survey was mostly steady, but support among Democrats dropped by 7 points.

Independents souring on impeachment underscores risk for Democrats | TheHill

What will Nancy Pelosi decide to do? Allow the Schiff-show to continue moving forward to taking an impeachment vote while Democrats in key races possibly risk losing Independents or call it a day? Seems to me losing millions of independents and more moderate Democrats while pissing off the far leftist side of the base, almost guarantees Trump the win. Does she continue to the impeachment vote or is she smart enough to know the writing is on the wall?

 

[Helix]

Welp, that's the ballgame, folks. I guess that we should just drop the whole thing and let presidents commit extortion and bribery at will with no consequences. Who wants to call Pelosi and give her the bad news?

Not it

 

[trixare4kids]

Welp, that's the ballgame, folks. I guess that we should just drop the whole thing and let presidents commit extortion and bribery at will with no consequences. Who wants to call Pelosi and give her the bad news?

Not it

Clearly, the majority of polled Independents don't share your omniscient vision...

The Schiff show was always about advancing the Democrats. The Democrats couldn't care less about rooting out corruption. I think you'll see this when the Durham investigation has been completed.

 

[Ikari]

Welp, that's the ballgame, folks. I guess that we should just drop the whole thing and let presidents commit extortion and bribery at will with no consequences. Who wants to call Pelosi and give her the bad news?

Not it

You only need oversight and checks and balances when Democrats are President. Duh.

 

[Helix]

Clearly, the majority of polled Independents don't share your omniscient vision...

I guess that those independents can vote for Dimbulb McMushroom in protest, then, and become part of his cult. He'll probably need them.

 

[Carleen]

Clearly, the majority of polled Independents don't share your omniscient vision...

The Schiff show was always about advancing the Democrats. The Democrats couldn't care less about rooting out corruption. I think you'll see this when the Durham investigation has been completed.

If they didn’t care about corruption they would not be trying to impeach the corrupt President. And if some sour on impeachment it could mean they are waiting for 2020 to oust him.

 

[danielpalos]

Independents souring on impeachment underscores risk for Democrats | TheHill

What will Nancy Pelosi decide to do? Allow the Schiff-show to continue moving forward to taking an impeachment vote while Democrats in key races possibly risk losing Independents or call it a day? Seems to me losing millions of independents and more moderate Democrats while pissing off the far leftist side of the base, almost guarantees Trump the win. Does she continue to the impeachment vote or is she smart enough to know the writing is on the wall?

It is difficult to take right wingers seriously when they are so frivolous.

 

[dobieg]

People are starting to understand how idiotic Democrats are and I expect the polls will keep trending in their current direction.

 

[Chillfolks]

From the people I’ve talked to the Democrats overplayed their hand on impeachment. There was never a smoking gun gotcha moment. Ukraine got the aide, there was no investigation into Biden, the presidents meet. At least in the Clinton impeachment there was a stained dress, something you could point to that wasn’t just opinions.

 

[trixare4kids]

If they didn’t care about corruption they would not be trying to impeach the corrupt President. And if some sour on impeachment it could mean they are waiting for 2020 to oust him.

They don't care about corruption. They care about regaining power, hence the impeachment is simply politics as usual.

 

[Obscurity]

Clearly, the majority of polled Independents don't share your omniscient vision...

The Schiff show was always about advancing the Democrats. The Democrats couldn't care less about rooting out corruption. I think you'll see this when the Durham investigation has been completed.

Lol so now polls are right all of a sudden?

I'll wait til 11/27/19 to see the aggregate, and frankly, I don't care how "independents" feel about it. The mythological "independents" don't exist.

 

[trixare4kids]

I guess that those independents can vote for Dimbulb McMushroom in protest, then, and become part of his cult. He'll probably need them.

I know that must give you comfort to label independent voters who don't march to your independent party line, cultists.

Carry on...:usflag2:

 

[trixare4kids]

Lol so now polls are right all of a sudden?

I'll wait til 11/27/19 to see the aggregate, and frankly, I don't care how "independents" feel about it. The mythological "independents" don't exist.

I know how you people love your polls, so I'm just reporting the news.

You should damn well care how they feel about it. Without the majority, the Dems. lose. :donkeyfla

 

[Fletch]

Welp, that's the ballgame, folks. I guess that we should just drop the whole thing and let presidents commit extortion and bribery at will with no consequences. Who wants to call Pelosi and give her the bad news?

Not it

There was no extortion or bribery here. You really need to use your head for something other than coming up with childish names for Trump.

 

[Obscurity]

I know how you people love your polls, so I'm just reporting the news.

You should damn well care how they feel about it. Without the majority, the Dems. lose.

Why should I care how people feel about it?

First they will circle the wagons; then the nut will crack.

Trump did it.

End of story. We must impeach.

 

[Obscurity]

There was no extortion or bribery here. You really need to use your head for something other than coming up with childish names for Trump.

Yes, there was. And no, you don't get to say there wasn't. And, No, you don't get to have an opinion on a fact.

 

[trixare4kids]

Why should I care how people feel about it?

First they will circle the wagons; then the nut will crack.

Trump did it.

End of story. We must impeach.

At this point though, does Nancy and the moderate leaning Democrats who are depending on the independent's vote, share your sentiment?

 

[trixare4kids]

Yes, there was. And no, you don't get to say there wasn't. And, No, you don't get to have an opinion on a fact.

What kind of thinker writes the above on a public message board and expects to be taken seriously? You call yourself a left leaning libertarian? You come across more like an authoritarian illiberal.

 

[trixare4kids]

There was no extortion or bribery here. You really need to use your head for something other than coming up with childish names for Trump.

When they can't refute, the Trump/Trump supporters name-calling always starts.

 

[TurtleDude]

Welp, that's the ballgame, folks. I guess that we should just drop the whole thing and let presidents commit extortion and bribery at will with no consequences. Who wants to call Pelosi and give her the bad news?

Not it

nah lets hold the trial in the senate and then have Schiff and the Bidens eviscerated by some of the GOP senators. I suspect if the GOP wants, they can turn this idiocy into a full fledged witch trial and- initiate a burning at the stake of the already smoldering reputations of the assholes who have made impeachment their main mantra since Trump won

 

[Helix]

I know that must give you comfort to label independent voters who don't march to your independent party line, cultists.

Carry on...:usflag2:

They're only cultists if they join Tweetycult.

 

[TurtleDude]

What kind of thinker writes the above on a public message board and expects to be taken seriously? You call yourself a left leaning libertarian? You come across more like an authoritarian illiberal.

Interesting observation; leftwing libertarian is often a facade for anti corporate, anti gun rights and anti GOP welfare-socialists. Libertine is often the better description

 

[Helix]

There was no extortion or bribery here. You really need to use your head for something other than coming up with childish names for Trump.

I don't do alternate reality. This isn't a scifi movie.

 

[Unitedwestand13]

“[9/9/19, 12:47:11 AM] Bill Taylor: As I said on the phone, I think it’s crazy to withhold security assistance for help with a political campaign.”

On page nine of the list of text messages between Volker, Taylor, Sondland, Yermak, and Giuliani on the Ukraine meeting and trumps attempt to extort political investigations from Zelensky

https://www.justsecurity.org/wp-con...03-19.chairmen-letter-on-state-dept-texts.pdf

 

[Helix]

nah lets hold the trial in the senate and then have Schiff and the Bidens eviscerated by some of the GOP senators. I suspect if the GOP wants, they can turn this idiocy into a full fledged witch trial and- initiate a burning at the stake of the already smoldering reputations of the assholes who have made impeachment their main mantra since Trump won

Oh, I have no doubt that the cultists in the Senate will do everything that they can to subvert / impede the process.