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I honestly don't see the big hoopla over having to show an ID. You have to show an ID to get alcohol, buy cigarettes, pick up certain medications prescribed to you, apply for a passport to legally leave and reenter the country, and numerous other things. This isn't a violation of voter rights and is a good thing.
Most of the people who don't have IDs are old enough that if they do smoke or drink, they're probably not carded (most state laws don't require someone who rightly appears to be well over age) and most of the others aren't rich enough to worry about traveling overseas.
The part of the law that makes it really disgusting is that they won't recognize student IDs from public universities (even though they are state agencies)...this is a CLEAR attempt to restrict college students from voting in their college campus towns.
Most of the people who don't have IDs are old enough that if they do smoke or drink, they're probably not carded (most state laws don't require someone who rightly appears to be well over age) and most of the others aren't rich enough to worry about traveling overseas.
The part of the law that makes it really disgusting is that they won't recognize student IDs from public universities (even though they are state agencies)...this is a CLEAR attempt to restrict college students from voting in their college campus towns.
Getting an ID is not easy at all in some states. Around here they will not issue a state ID card to anyone under andy circumstance. Drivers license yes, ID no. And a DL is required to vote.
IDs will not stop voter fraud because nearly all of it is done by the election workers themselves. Poll workers can effectively cast as many votes as they want at the end of the day by just seeing which registered voters didn't show up and casting votes in those names signing false signatures for each. Accordingly, the talk about voter ID is off point and will solve nothing.
Requiring an original voter card that must be stamped when voting would stop multiple vote-casting fraud in most instances. Unless a method is devised to stop poll workers from casting votes for voters who do not appear voter fraud will continue on a mass scale.
Anyone who lives in the state can obtain a State I.D. I wish we required them in Illinois. "Hi, what's your name? Address? Here's your ballot." What??? Why would Democrats oppose this law? Why wouldn't they simply work to make it dirt-easy to get a State I.D.? There's only one reason, in my opinion. And it has nothing to do with protecting voters' rights.
I think the only reason for it is to suppress the black vote. South Carolina always amazes me. It has a very high percentage of black citizens and votes Republican. That is perplexing to me. Perhaps not to you.
Looks to me like someone is attempting to suppress those that cant/don't drive, or don't have a photo ID from voting. Wonder why?:roll:
Mon Jan 16, 2012 12:26pm EST
(Reuters) - U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder, appearing at a Martin Luther King holiday rally in South Carolina, warned on Monday that voting rights laws are still at risk and said aggressive enforcement of those laws is "a moral imperative."
<"The reality is that - in jurisdictions across the country - both overt and subtle forms of discrimination remain all too common," Holder, who is black, told hundreds of people attending an annual rally to honor King, the slain civil rights leader, on the steps of the South Carolina state capitol.>
<The South Carolina law required voters to show a state-issued photo identification card to cast a ballot in an election. Republican supporters said it would prevent voter fraud, but Democratic critics argued it would make it harder for those without driver's licenses, many of them poor and black, to cast a ballot.>
<The Justice Department blocked the law after ruling it could hinder the right to vote of tens of thousands of people. It noted that just more than a third of the state's minorities who are registered voters did not have a driver's license. The state plans to fight the ruling in court.>
In South Carolina, attorney general says voting rights at risk | Reuters
Most of the people who don't have IDs are old enough that if they do smoke or drink, they're probably not carded (most state laws don't require someone who rightly appears to be well over age) and
most of the others aren't rich enough to worry about traveling overseas.
The part of the law that makes it really disgusting is that they won't recognize student IDs from public universities (even though they are state agencies)...
Why would a university student not have a state ID or driver's license? They are old enough to be carded when they buy smokes and booze. When you file the paper work to enroll you do need to submit various forms of ID,After all those universities are going to want their moneythis is a CLEAR attempt to restrict college students from voting in their college campus towns.
I honestly don't see the big hoopla over having to show an ID. You have to show an ID to get alcohol, buy cigarettes, pick up certain medications prescribed to you, apply for a passport to legally leave and reenter the country, and numerous other things. This isn't a violation of voter rights and is a good thing.
I think the only reason for it is to suppress the black vote. South Carolina always amazes me. It has a very high percentage of black citizens and votes Republican. That is perplexing to me. Perhaps not to you.
According to the 2010 census South Carolina has a population of 4,645,975, Wisconsin has a populatin of 5,698,230.I don’t know if there has been a survey done on voter frauds in South Carolina but one was done in Wisconsin. They found “7 substantiated cases of individuals knowingly casting invalid votes that counted “. Hardly looks like a major case of voter fraud to me.Ssoo…if its now broke why the fix?Unless….
Blacks can't afford a driver's license or go down to the DMV to get a free ID? You must think very lowly of black people if you think they are incapable of producing 25 bucks for a ten year driver's license or too stupid to go to the DMV to get a free ID.
SC Department of Motor Vehicles
Still Need a South Carolina Identification Card?
If you missed South Carolina Identification Card Day, you can still get an Identification Card at any SCDMV office. Identification cards are free to citizens who are 17 years of age or older. Click here to learn more about the requirements.
Unless they call up every registered voter whose signature appears on the sign in sheet and ask how they voted and how and compared it to the ballots they are not going to be able to prove fraud?In 2004, we had a very very close Governor's election that wound up in court. Both sides hired teams of lawyers to pour over voting records, which took about 5 months. The end result of all of this, when it wound up in court, was that although administrative errors were committed that called a couple of hundred votes into question, they found no instances of voter fraud out of about 2.5 million votes cast. And believe me, they looked.
Well, they did find a couple of instances where someone had died and their elderly spouse voted their absentee ballot because they 'knew' what the deceased person would have done, but I'm guessing the Republic can survive that.
I'm guessing the 'free ID card' provision would probably remove any Constititutional objections. Of course if voters attempting to obtain those cards were threatened or intimidated in any way, that's a different story.
The way it works is that in order to prove something, you need to have proof.Unless they call up every registered voter whose signature appears on the sign in sheet and ask how they voted and how and compared it to the ballots they are not going to be able to prove fraud?
The way it works is that in order to prove something, you need to have proof.
I know that will come as a shock to some.... :2razz:
Most of the people who don't have IDs are old enough that if they do smoke or drink, they're probably not carded (most state laws don't require someone who rightly appears to be well over age) and most of the others aren't rich enough to worry about traveling overseas.
The part of the law that makes it really disgusting is that they won't recognize student IDs from public universities (even though they are state agencies)...this is a CLEAR attempt to restrict college students from voting in their college campus towns.
In 2004, we had a very very close Governor's election that wound up in court. Both sides hired teams of lawyers to pour over voting records, which took about 5 months. The end result of all of this, when it wound up in court, was that although administrative errors were committed that called a couple of hundred votes into question, they found no instances of voter fraud out of about 2.5 million votes cast. And believe me, they looked.
Well, they did find a couple of instances where someone had died and their elderly spouse voted their absentee ballot because they 'knew' what the deceased person would have done, but I'm guessing the Republic can survive that.
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