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Those are Iraqi's in a war zone. This involves an American in America.
Those are Iraqi's in a war zone. This involves an American in America.I don't think he can compare his experience at the hands of a well trained police team to the treatment many Iraqi families got from Grunts like him in the sandbox. And yeah I know a good representative slice of Iraqi door kickers and they are not shy about laughing about some of the things they did over there.
Lack of sanity is clearly not your problem.I somehow doubt my own ability to successfully outgun an entire team of trained officers. :shrug:
Which your realistic response shows. :thumbs:You can't force people to carry a firearm. People are generally free to purchase one if they want, or free to live without one. I have lived without one for almost 40 years. Never needed one.
I am in the military.
Civil war, means war amongst a single countries inhabitants yes? So tell me what good are aircraft and long range weapons if its your next door neighbor after your head. Or the people who live near the plant that makes the bombs, planes, trains, and whatever else. An army cant be everywhere. Neither can an air force. Civil wars are ugly nasty and brutish affairs and generally the winner is just the last one standing. The winner gets the good fortune survive long enough to earn a pyric victory.
I expect you have been told off for that use of "gun nuts".
On this forum it is OK to call somebody a denier of science even when you cannot say what science they are denying but the use of the term "gun nut" is out. You must use a less inflamatory phrase. Try, erm... shooting things enthusiast.
Its hard to tell because I don't know what that kind of war would look like here in the states. Would the military decide to have some kind of central staging area to fight from? I would guess this would be the most effective way to fight any kind of civil war in the US. It would be highly ineffective to fight a war from every single individual base, rather then fall back to some kind of central position and fight from there. That is what I assume would be the tactic used if there were some type of large civil war in the US.
An excellent article. It should be required reading in all police departments.
The police mentality was a huge factor, THE factor, in what happened to Sandra Bland.
The Bland case reveals a mutual lack of trust and respect, which escalated a simple traffic stop into a confrontation with national headlines. An adversarial relationship between the people and the police is toxic to a free society.
No!!! It is only the police who are responsible and they started it! (Sarcasm)
That really sums it up.When I watch the Bland video, I'm struck by how childish they both behave ... it's sort of surreal to see adults acting like that. Unfortunately, the consequences were severe.
GhostlyJoe said:I somehow doubt my own ability to successfully outgun an entire team of trained officers.
Lack of sanity is clearly not your problem.
I think it's encouraging that this is wide-scale push-back against this sort of thing, but it's unfortunate that racial issues are polarizing both sides. We need to look at this problem with a level head and avoid demonizing either side. That said, I firmly believe it's on the state, not the citizens, to take the moderating action./QUOTE]Let's do it before the police start flying drones around our neighborhoods.[
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And everyone is under constant surveillance 24/7 by automated robocops.
Yay though I walk thru the valley of the shadow of death.I will fear no evil
I think it's encouraging that this is wide-scale push-back against this sort of thing, but it's unfortunate that racial issues are polarizing both sides. We need to look at this problem with a level head and avoid demonizing either side. That said, I firmly believe it's on the state, not the citizens, to take the moderating action./QUOTE]
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And everyone is under constant surveillance 24/7 by automated robocops.
The technology at our disposable is awesome -- and scary in the context of a "broken windows" policing philosophy.
A lot of people on this planet are alive right now because they had enough sense to fear what might be around the corner.
Actually I don't have a problem with them putting a stinking drunk into cuffs.
Drunks can become extremely unpredictable and violent.
When I watch the Bland video, I'm struck by how childish they both behave ... it's sort of surreal to see adults acting like that. Unfortunately, the consequences were severe.
It's really not as crazy as it sounds.
You have to figure that most cops aren't really tough guys.
Most cops, given their almost knee-jerk reaction of resorting to violence and escalating to deadly force, aren't even especially brave or courageous.
They'd rather kill someone than even take the chance they they might gey hurt themselves.
So if you've got three or four patrol cops "raiding" a building you can pretty much rest assured that they're scared ****less.
And that isn't entirely their fault.
They've been trained that way.
They've been conditioned to believe that they need to go to any lengths "to go home safe to their families at night" and that the imminent threat of death lurks behind every corner.
So they might enter the building or apartment "switched on" but, like Mike Tyson says, everyone has a plan until you punch him in the mouth.
If you, as a homeowner, do anything to disrupt or shatter the illusion that they're in complete control then you're inside their OODA loop playing havoc and they're no longer big bad sheepdogs but scared men back on their heels and fighting for their lives in a very chaotic situation.
With that in mind, if you alert to the threat entering your home and you prepare yourself you've got the upper hand.
You know where they are, you know the layout of the structure, you can hear them coming and you'll know when they're going to arrive.
Soon as the first one breaks in to the fatal funnel you kill him and it's not just going to ruin their day but you're going to ruin their plan and their self-perception that they're the Alpha dogs in the building.
I would expect most to freeze or panic.
If one or two decide to rush in you kill them too.
They're just beat cops, not Navy SEALs.
Then you just keep shooting as you work the angle ("slice the pie").
Step at a time, rain .308 on them slow and steady and you're going to have a pile of dead cops in your doorway.
That would be my plan anyhow.
Now, I wouldn't say that I guarantee you I walk away from it.
Maybe I would, maybe I wouldn't.
But if you look at the situation tactically there is a much better chance that one of me is going to live than that any one of the three or four cops is going to live.
Any number of variables could change that.
I could trip, my weapon could malfunction, a cop could get off a luck shot, one of the cops could be a veteran Navy SEAL, or a hundred other things.
But on paper my odds are much better than the cops' odds.
This is an excellent point, but this whole raid shouldn't have happened.
Wait. Woah. Are you suggesting they shouldn't ensure their own safety?
I understood the risks of war when I enlisted as an infantryman. Police officers should understand the risks in their jobs when they enroll in the academy, as well. That means knowing that personal safety can’t always come first. That is why it’s service. That’s why it’s sacrifice.
Yep. I can understand both views too. But at some point you have to realize either: having a bad attitude wasn't going to work for him or her.
I call bs on the murder crap. I hope most do. But it just doesn't seem like it.
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