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Why it matters: In today's hyperpolarized world, "fake news" has become a refrain to describe stories that observers on both sides of the spectrum decide that they don't like. These reporting issues by esteemed media organizations give credence to that ignorance, which further damages the value of insightful, impactful reporting — especially when it comes to one of the biggest, most polarizing stories of our political age: the Russia probe.
As documented in this section pretty well here on DP, it does appear that the media has messed up three times this week.Only three times in one week. Keep that outrage in check cons. It's a tricky situation the media has to deal with. They don't have time to run around making stuff up. They have to fact-check carefully and sometimes they get things wrong, sometimes they get a big scoop but then seconds later it changes or Trump (or someone else) does something to flip the narrative. It's impossible for any human being to keep up, even well run media organizations. Trump tries and look how he reacts to breaking news.
Headlines run the show so news has to have a catchy headline. This would not be the case if not for the flashy money making schemes of click-bait ads (been around for quite sometime) which Russia later used to exploit the American/world public. So the news has to be fast and accurate and they also can't break under the pressure. Good journalists won't, but then the journalists that do outrageous things are celebrated and their profile gets raised just because they attack Trump or go on similar tirades.
https://www.axios.com/the-medias-russia-probe-meltdown-3-screw-ups-in-one-week-2515978886.html
It's often said by DP members (usually of conservative side) that they just want the fact from their journalists. If you are talking about newspapers that is one thing, but almost all journalism has always been commentary mixed with facts. Otherwise TV stations could just show a bullet point list of what happened via liberal or conservative circles and show that on a continuous loop forever and update stuff as it changes. Like an activities menu on a cruise ship. That's the purest form of reporting some people claim they want. If you want something like that, I suggest twitter, but you'll be sacrificing your objectivity there.
On top of that demand they are indeed fighting a conservative agenda that wants nothing but to tear them down and rip them limb from limb. People who are constantly seeking out alternative facts telling them that they are wrong and then having to write article upon article about why those people are wrong. Those people will never admit it though. So the whole thing becomes a colossal waste of time and resources just because the most powerful man in the world gets his news from the weirdest places on the web.
In a climate like this mistakes are bound to happen.
Hmmm...
Here is a video in counterpoint: "Why No One Trusts the Mainstream Media."
I find it funny an argument is being made for "excusing the Main Stream Media for mistakes"...while constantly crowing over reports of errors, faux pas, and mistakes of those targeted by MSM propaganda efforts.
As documented in this section pretty well here on DP, it does appear that the media has messed up three times this week.Only three times in one week. Keep that outrage in check cons. It's a tricky situation the media has to deal with. They don't have time to run around making stuff up. They have to fact-check carefully and sometimes they get things wrong, sometimes they get a big scoop but then seconds later it changes or Trump (or someone else) does something to flip the narrative. It's impossible for any human being to keep up, even well run media organizations. Trump tries and look how he reacts to breaking news.
Headlines run the show so news has to have a catchy headline. This would not be the case if not for the flashy money making schemes of click-bait ads (been around for quite sometime) which Russia later used to exploit the American/world public. So the news has to be fast and accurate and they also can't break under the pressure. Good journalists won't, but then the journalists that do outrageous things are celebrated and their profile gets raised just because they attack Trump or go on similar tirades.
https://www.axios.com/the-medias-russia-probe-meltdown-3-screw-ups-in-one-week-2515978886.html
It's often said by DP members (usually of conservative side) that they just want the fact from their journalists. If you are talking about newspapers that is one thing, but almost all journalism has always been commentary mixed with facts. Otherwise TV stations could just show a bullet point list of what happened via liberal or conservative circles and show that on a continuous loop forever and update stuff as it changes. Like an activities menu on a cruise ship. That's the purest form of reporting some people claim they want. If you want something like that, I suggest twitter, but you'll be sacrificing your objectivity there.
On top of that demand they are indeed fighting a conservative agenda that wants nothing but to tear them down and rip them limb from limb. People who are constantly seeking out alternative facts telling them that they are wrong and then having to write article upon article about why those people are wrong. Those people will never admit it though. So the whole thing becomes a colossal waste of time and resources just because the most powerful man in the world gets his news from the weirdest places on the web.
In a climate like this mistakes are bound to happen.
As documented in this section pretty well here on DP, it does appear that the media has messed up three times this week.Only three times in one week. Keep that outrage in check cons. It's a tricky situation the media has to deal with. They don't have time to run around making stuff up. They have to fact-check carefully and sometimes they get things wrong, sometimes they get a big scoop but then seconds later it changes or Trump (or someone else) does something to flip the narrative. It's impossible for any human being to keep up, even well run media organizations. Trump tries and look how he reacts to breaking news.
Headlines run the show so news has to have a catchy headline. This would not be the case if not for the flashy money making schemes of click-bait ads (been around for quite sometime) which Russia later used to exploit the American/world public. So the news has to be fast and accurate and they also can't break under the pressure. Good journalists won't, but then the journalists that do outrageous things are celebrated and their profile gets raised just because they attack Trump or go on similar tirades.
https://www.axios.com/the-medias-russia-probe-meltdown-3-screw-ups-in-one-week-2515978886.html
It's often said by DP members (usually of conservative side) that they just want the fact from their journalists. If you are talking about newspapers that is one thing, but almost all journalism has always been commentary mixed with facts. Otherwise TV stations could just show a bullet point list of what happened via liberal or conservative circles and show that on a continuous loop forever and update stuff as it changes. Like an activities menu on a cruise ship. That's the purest form of reporting some people claim they want. If you want something like that, I suggest twitter, but you'll be sacrificing your objectivity there.
On top of that demand they are indeed fighting a conservative agenda that wants nothing but to tear them down and rip them limb from limb. People who are constantly seeking out alternative facts telling them that they are wrong and then having to write article upon article about why those people are wrong. Those people will never admit it though. So the whole thing becomes a colossal waste of time and resources just because the most powerful man in the world gets his news from the weirdest places on the web.
In a climate like this mistakes are bound to happen.
As documented in this section pretty well here on DP, it does appear that the media has messed up three times this week.Only three times in one week. Keep that outrage in check cons. It's a tricky situation the media has to deal with. They don't have time to run around making stuff up. They have to fact-check carefully and sometimes they get things wrong, sometimes they get a big scoop but then seconds later it changes or Trump (or someone else) does something to flip the narrative. It's impossible for any human being to keep up, even well run media organizations. Trump tries and look how he reacts to breaking news.
Headlines run the show so news has to have a catchy headline. This would not be the case if not for the flashy money making schemes of click-bait ads (been around for quite sometime) which Russia later used to exploit the American/world public. So the news has to be fast and accurate and they also can't break under the pressure. Good journalists won't, but then the journalists that do outrageous things are celebrated and their profile gets raised just because they attack Trump or go on similar tirades.
https://www.axios.com/the-medias-russia-probe-meltdown-3-screw-ups-in-one-week-2515978886.html
It's often said by DP members (usually of conservative side) that they just want the fact from their journalists. If you are talking about newspapers that is one thing, but almost all journalism has always been commentary mixed with facts. Otherwise TV stations could just show a bullet point list of what happened via liberal or conservative circles and show that on a continuous loop forever and update stuff as it changes. Like an activities menu on a cruise ship. That's the purest form of reporting some people claim they want. If you want something like that, I suggest twitter, but you'll be sacrificing your objectivity there.
On top of that demand they are indeed fighting a conservative agenda that wants nothing but to tear them down and rip them limb from limb. People who are constantly seeking out alternative facts telling them that they are wrong and then having to write article upon article about why those people are wrong. Those people will never admit it though. So the whole thing becomes a colossal waste of time and resources just because the most powerful man in the world gets his news from the weirdest places on the web.
In a climate like this mistakes are bound to happen.
As documented in this section pretty well here on DP, it does appear that the media has messed up three times this week.Only three times in one week. Keep that outrage in check cons. It's a tricky situation the media has to deal with. They don't have time to run around making stuff up. They have to fact-check carefully and sometimes they get things wrong, sometimes they get a big scoop but then seconds later it changes or Trump (or someone else) does something to flip the narrative. It's impossible for any human being to keep up, even well run media organizations. Trump tries and look how he reacts to breaking news.
Headlines run the show so news has to have a catchy headline. This would not be the case if not for the flashy money making schemes of click-bait ads (been around for quite sometime) which Russia later used to exploit the American/world public. So the news has to be fast and accurate and they also can't break under the pressure. Good journalists won't, but then the journalists that do outrageous things are celebrated and their profile gets raised just because they attack Trump or go on similar tirades.
https://www.axios.com/the-medias-russia-probe-meltdown-3-screw-ups-in-one-week-2515978886.html
It's often said by DP members (usually of conservative side) that they just want the fact from their journalists. If you are talking about newspapers that is one thing, but almost all journalism has always been commentary mixed with facts. Otherwise TV stations could just show a bullet point list of what happened via liberal or conservative circles and show that on a continuous loop forever and update stuff as it changes. Like an activities menu on a cruise ship. That's the purest form of reporting some people claim they want. If you want something like that, I suggest twitter, but you'll be sacrificing your objectivity there.
On top of that demand they are indeed fighting a conservative agenda that wants nothing but to tear them down and rip them limb from limb. People who are constantly seeking out alternative facts telling them that they are wrong and then having to write article upon article about why those people are wrong. Those people will never admit it though. So the whole thing becomes a colossal waste of time and resources just because the most powerful man in the world gets his news from the weirdest places on the web.
In a climate like this mistakes are bound to happen.
Hmmm...
Here is a video in counterpoint: "Why No One Trusts the Mainstream Media."
I find it funny an argument is being made for "excusing the Main Stream Media for mistakes"...while constantly crowing over reports of errors, faux pas, and mistakes of those targeted by MSM propaganda efforts.
Here's the problem.
You cannot use Prager U, a right wing propaganda set of cutesy animated videos to attack what you perceive as fake news and propaganda.
Actually the problem is your use of an ad hominin response.
You allege that the source of the information (in this case Prager U) is "right wing propaganda" in order to dismiss the information provided, rather than addressing the soundness and validity of the argument presented.
Was there anything in the video factually unsound and invalid? :coffeepap:
Here's the problem.
You cannot use Prager U, a right wing propaganda set of cutesy animated videos to attack what you perceive as fake news and propaganda.
Media makes a few mistakes. Outrage.
Trump spews lies and false information by the hour. Crickets.
When news organizations are so desperate to find and produce negative coverage in any light, and they drop their journalistic integrity of accuracy, objectivity, and impartiality with carelessness...
is well entitled to the name of "Fake News"
From what I can see the very first clip or at least the first picture I currently see without even playing the video is this, "Why no one trusts the Mainstream Media." I can pretty much assume what the stupid video is going to say without even watching it based on that statement alone. It's going to be confirmation bias highlighting all the fears conservatives have about the MSM, Right? How predictable! A right wing think-tank that doesn't like the MSM. Shocker! The statement itself "why no one trusts the mainstream media," is misleading in and of itself. Republicans may not TRUST the media, but that's NOT everyone as the video stipulates.
The fact that you make an assumption rather than examining the information makes your response not only invalid...but also clear evidence of your own assumption bias.
CNN, NBC Trump coverage 93 percent negative
"Fox News coverage also leaned to the negative, but only slightly: 52 percent negative to 48 percent positive."
I dont think its odd that a fair and balanced coverage could seem negative after the deluge of negative coverage from just about everywhere else..
Practice with three bats before going to the batters box and the one is much more accurate to swing.
As documented in this section pretty well here on DP, it does appear that the media has messed up three times this week.Only three times in one week. Keep that outrage in check cons. It's a tricky situation the media has to deal with. They don't have time to run around making stuff up. They have to fact-check carefully and sometimes they get things wrong, sometimes they get a big scoop but then seconds later it changes or Trump (or someone else) does something to flip the narrative. It's impossible for any human being to keep up, even well run media organizations. Trump tries and look how he reacts to breaking news.
Headlines run the show so news has to have a catchy headline. This would not be the case if not for the flashy money making schemes of click-bait ads (been around for quite sometime) which Russia later used to exploit the American/world public. So the news has to be fast and accurate and they also can't break under the pressure. Good journalists won't, but then the journalists that do outrageous things are celebrated and their profile gets raised just because they attack Trump or go on similar tirades.
https://www.axios.com/the-medias-russia-probe-meltdown-3-screw-ups-in-one-week-2515978886.html
It's often said by DP members (usually of conservative side) that they just want the fact from their journalists. If you are talking about newspapers that is one thing, but almost all journalism has always been commentary mixed with facts. Otherwise TV stations could just show a bullet point list of what happened via liberal or conservative circles and show that on a continuous loop forever and update stuff as it changes. Like an activities menu on a cruise ship. That's the purest form of reporting some people claim they want. If you want something like that, I suggest twitter, but you'll be sacrificing your objectivity there.
On top of that demand they are indeed fighting a conservative agenda that wants nothing but to tear them down and rip them limb from limb. People who are constantly seeking out alternative facts telling them that they are wrong and then having to write article upon article about why those people are wrong. Those people will never admit it though. So the whole thing becomes a colossal waste of time and resources just because the most powerful man in the world gets his news from the weirdest places on the web.
In a climate like this mistakes are bound to happen.
As documented in this section pretty well here on DP, it does appear that the media has messed up three times this week.Only three times in one week. Keep that outrage in check cons. It's a tricky situation the media has to deal with. They don't have time to run around making stuff up. They have to fact-check carefully and sometimes they get things wrong, sometimes they get a big scoop but then seconds later it changes or Trump (or someone else) does something to flip the narrative. It's impossible for any human being to keep up, even well run media organizations. Trump tries and look how he reacts to breaking news.
Headlines run the show so news has to have a catchy headline. This would not be the case if not for the flashy money making schemes of click-bait ads (been around for quite sometime) which Russia later used to exploit the American/world public. So the news has to be fast and accurate and they also can't break under the pressure. Good journalists won't, but then the journalists that do outrageous things are celebrated and their profile gets raised just because they attack Trump or go on similar tirades.
https://www.axios.com/the-medias-russia-probe-meltdown-3-screw-ups-in-one-week-2515978886.html
It's often said by DP members (usually of conservative side) that they just want the fact from their journalists. If you are talking about newspapers that is one thing, but almost all journalism has always been commentary mixed with facts. Otherwise TV stations could just show a bullet point list of what happened via liberal or conservative circles and show that on a continuous loop forever and update stuff as it changes. Like an activities menu on a cruise ship. That's the purest form of reporting some people claim they want. If you want something like that, I suggest twitter, but you'll be sacrificing your objectivity there.
On top of that demand they are indeed fighting a conservative agenda that wants nothing but to tear them down and rip them limb from limb. People who are constantly seeking out alternative facts telling them that they are wrong and then having to write article upon article about why those people are wrong. Those people will never admit it though. So the whole thing becomes a colossal waste of time and resources just because the most powerful man in the world gets his news from the weirdest places on the web.
In a climate like this mistakes are bound to happen.
I'm not sure if I understand your point.... Is your point that Fox News is the only mainstream Media with a conservative lean? I would agree with you...
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