The point of the question is, at any given moment that ICE takes you into custody, can you provide proof of citizenship. Keep in mind a driver's license and a Social Security card are NOT considered proof of citizenship.
They are rounding up illegals and they take you into custody without due process (hypothetical).
I didn't ask you for a book on "due process". I asked you to define "without due process".
Sure. Real ID in my wallet, and my notarized birth certificate at home.The context is hypothetical: ICE has come up to you, either at home, place of work or just while you out walking around and takes you into custody for possibly being an illegal alien or in violation immigration status, even though you are an actual citizen of the US and you are denied due process.
Once in custody, can you prove your identity as an American citizen if you are denied due process, or just moments before being cuffed?
This is a hypothetical, so please spare us any posting of "It won't happen to me because...."...or...deign that this is a stupid poll instead of answering yes or no and why. If you can't answer yes or no and possibly give an explanation, please don't bother making a post this poll/thread, just move on to something else. Thank you.
Real ID would suffice as it can be scanned and citizenship can be verified.BTW, a Real ID, Social Security card and Veterans Administration ID card are NOT considered proof of citizenship.
Do you carry these documents around with you at all times? What if your 'papers' are out of order?Question Asked: "If you are a current citizen, can you prove you are a citizen of the United States of America without due process?"
The answer is yes, by virtue of several legal documents.
1. A valid State Birth Certificate. (Everyone should retain at least one copy).
2. Copies of my military service documents, and my Veterans Administration I.D. card.
3. A U.S. Passport.
Note: I suppose I could invest in a "Real ID" instead of just getting a regular driver's license, but since I have no current or future intentions to travel outside the USA, I don't see the need for the extra expense.
As for "Due Process," that typically applies to criminal and civil cases of law.
However, Immigration Law applies to migrants and foreign persons seeking asylum, or other temporary status for work, education, or a visa to visit (tourism/work/education).
NOTE: I did not include my Social Security card. This because such can also be issued to legal aliens for work purposes under Section 211 of the SSPA: https://secure.ssa.gov/poms.nsf/lnx/0300301102
With your passport and VA ID, you are pretty much covered. One or the other is enough for the TSA at airports.Note: I suppose I could invest in a "Real ID" instead of just getting a regular driver's license, but since I have no current or future intentions to travel outside the USA, I don't see the need for the extra expense.
With your passport and VA ID, you are pretty much covered. One or the other is enough for the TSA at airports.
But then the poster I was addressing was talking about what documents he maintains, for possible air travel. I doubt he expects interactions with ICE.TSA and ICE are not the same agency.
Presumably a passport is documentation of citizenship.The hypothetical here is that you don't get due process because you are suspected of not being a citizen which some believe means you have no due process. (IRL, which is what I am basing this hypothetical off of). That means you have to be able to provide proof of citizenship in the moment ICE wants to take you into custody (in this hypothetical).
BTW, a Real ID, Social Security card and Veterans Administration ID card are NOT considered proof of citizenship.
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