Are you kidding me? It was the most undemocratic day in history.
1. Trump lost the popular vote by almost 3 million vote, where other presidents won the election on less than that. Therefore, one cannot say he has the "will of the electorate" that is, if you define it as a clear majority.
2. Trump took the white house solely on a fluke of the electoral college system.
3. Trump won illegitimately With the Help of Sec'y of State Kris Kobach's "Interstate Crossheck" program, which purged 1.1 million (mostly blacks, Asians, & Hispanics) from the voter registration rolls where the purged numbers in the swing states vastly exceeded the vote count Trump won by ( see Greg Palast | Investigative Reporter ) NOTE: But for crosscheck, Hillary would have taken the swing states.
4. Republican de facto voter suppression techniques
5. Comey letter (I personally don't believe it could have single-handedly turned the election, without the other items).
6. Russian meddling.
Yes, a stronger candidate would have overcame the vote deficits such things caused, but if things were square, despite the fact that she could have directed her campaign more efficiently and effectively, still, she would have won, and that's the point. Now, I'm not saying "playing unfair" is an issue, since most campaigns do not play fair, and surely Hillary did not play fair during the primary, it's just that there were these other factors beyond her control. Before anyone shouts "sore loser", check out the Greg Palast link about Interstate Crosscheck. If it were not for that one, you might have had a point.
Those who argue she stole the primary, perhaps, but that's a different debate.
Our system of government worked exceptionally well on election day, to an extent that is virtually unheard of in the world; a man who was opposed by the elitist class that runs this country, actually WON the White House due to the support of the people. It was one of the most uniquely democratic events of the past 200 years, and very well may never happen again.
I’ve been watching the rabid attempts to undermine and unseat the President in the MSM and echoed in this Forum in post after post since November 2016.
Yes, ever since the election after the psychic shock of the “upset” victory wore off, there has been a no holds barred, manic effort to find some way, any way to undo the results of that election either via impeachment or resignation.
It started with simple unfitness for office with members of the mental health professions signing petitions declaring him mentally unfit. Then there was a massive deluge of leaks about any and every thing some “current or former member of government” considered “improper” poured in the willing ears of the MSN.
Finally, thanks to the Steele Dossier the “resistance” jelled around Russian election interference which the President must have actively colluded in. Didn’t he publicly ask the Russian to hack her during his campaign? :roll: (No, he actually didn’t, but don’t let facts get in the way of a narrative.)
Either Director Comey was unaware that his agency, the FBI, used it to get a FISA warrant to tap the communications of Carter Page with the intent to investigate Trump, or his unwillingness to inform the President whether or not he was under investigation which resulted in his discharge was an intentional failure to do his duty.
The President rightly lost trust in him and fired him. After that, it’s been obstruction (which it was not) and “collusion, collusion, collusion!” with nothing to actually show it.
As predicted, the witch hunt may have found some kind of information completely unrelated to “Russian interference,” which not being under Mueller’s writ, has been passed off to “local agency” to investigate. This resulted in the Cohen "raid" via possible money laundering or fund misuse from the Stormy Daniels sex scandal.
Now, it’s “Campaign fund misuse” and “money laundering,” or whatever other dirt may have been found that had nothing to do with the original investigation. This is exactly what all those in this Forum and out in public have been hoping for.
Well, if the President is forced from office for any reason other than knowing and willing conspiracy with a foreign power to undermine the election process, then all the Left’s naysaying notwithstanding, it proves this is and always WAS a “Witch Hunt” with the intent to negate the election by any means necessary.
If successful, then my faith in our system of government will be completely erased; since this will demonstrate that mob "justice" is the rule, and "by any means necessary" is the method.
Excellent post. It took all that and more for Trump to win and show why he has been illegitimate from day one. Keep in mind that the Comey letter hung out there like a giant harvest moon for ten days while ten to fifteen million people cast ballots in early voting. To pretend it had no effect on the final numbers is simply folly.
And the failure of the Electoral College to function as it was promised to function as Hamilton explained to the nation when he tried to sell us on the concept in Federalist 68 shows not only the defect in the system itself for its violation of the one person/one vote principle, but it demonstrates that it did not even work as it was suppose to work in protecting the nation from a creature of a foreign adversary.
Great post on your part.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Craig_Fugate
William Craig Fugate (born May 14, 1959)[1]
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Federal Emergency Management Agency[edit]
Fugate was considered for the position as Director of the Federal Emergency Management Agency by President Bush after sharp criticism and the resignation of Mike Brown. Later, due to Fugate's experience with Florida's extreme weather, he was appointed as the FEMA director in May 2009 by President Barack Obama.[5][6] His nomination received bi-partisan support in Congress although Louisiana senator Republican David Vitter threatened to hold up his nomination until his concerns over the handling of Hurricane Katrina by Brown were answered by FEMA.[9]
In 2010, as Director of FEMA, he oversaw a record of eighty-one disaster declarations and superseded that record in 2011 with eighty-seven.[10] He was criticized in 2012 by Brown for his early response to Hurricane Sandy in which he positioned recovery resources prior to the storm's arrival. In response, Fugate said that he "emphasized the importance of strong building codes and risk management before disasters strike."[8]
As director of the Florida Division of Emergency Management in 2004
Waffle House Index[edit]
Fugate is known for his "Waffle House Matrix", whereby he determines the level of attention a disaster area requires based on whether the Waffle House is open at the time emergency services arrive.[8] Fugate told the New York Times that, "Waffle House has a very simple operation philosophy: get open."[5] His theory is that if a Waffle House is open, keep driving. If it's damaged but serving a limited menu then the community needs help. If it's closed, then it means that the situation is really bad and needs the most attention.[8] The strategy is particularly helpful in the South where Fugate is from, but becomes a challenge elsewhere where the... local chains,.. Starbucks and Dunkin Donuts, do not share the same 'get open' philosophy.[8][11]....
'Whole-Community Response': How FEMA Director Craig Fugate ...
https://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2015/09/we-are-all-first-responders/402146/
Sep 3, 2015 - Since his appointment and confirmation to lead FEMA at the start of the Obama administration, Fugate has been largely out of the public eye. That's despite several major disasters, including Hurricane Sandy and a string of deadly hurricanes in 2011. (In fact, 2011 saw an unprecedented 99 federal major ...
First we had the Race Card. Now it seems we have The Witch Hunt card.
Are you predicting he will be removed from office?
The race card was real, that is undeniable, no matter what idiot right wingers say. THe witch hunt card is not, no matter what idiot right winger say
There's just so many things wrong with this post...
Let me be brief.
YOU are what's wrong with this country.
No he said what he meant, the 6th. He argued that Trump could refuse to answer any questions under the advise of his lawyers which he is entitled to have per the 6A.You mean the fifth, and yes it would.
Boy would that be a kick! Trump going down as the first president to ever invoke the fifth.:lamo
Not the nation persay, but definitely the people at the top of the chain of command.
1. Where's the evidence that he tried to fire mueller?He got caught doing so under oath before during the defamation trial he brought (and lost) against the journalist who stated he wasn't a billionaire.
Mueller would absolutely vivisect him.
All he has to do is ask, "Did you try and have me fired last August and December?"
Since we know he did, if he says 'no', he's perjuring himself. If he says 'yes', it's obstruction.
He's just too ****ing stupid to understand that.
That's a pretty important distinction...but that should have happened a long time ago. Trump is just a culmination of all that's been ****ty with your political scene for decades.
I was about 16 or so when the NSA pushed me beyond sympathy for our elected officials. I think. Assuming it was about 5 years ago or so.
Regardless of my inability to remember rough approximations of dates, I'd say I'm pretty far ahead of the curve. Cut me some slack.
lol...I always get in trouble with my universal you's. Sorry to be vague, your genius was never in question...hehe
1. Where's the evidence that he tried to fire mueller?
2. If he had fired mueller, that is not proof of obstruction. You would need more than that.
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Who's running away in fear?
You're not very good at playing the bad ass troll even though your avatar is kinda' skeery.
Let me help. I suggest you find some new material. I've heard your kind of shtick way too many times...
Be well. :happy:
Up your game, and you might get more takers.
I don't think your problem is with "government", as much as with the Republican Party unilateral control of government. Once that's broken, likely in November, I suspect your faith will re-emerge.
But you & I will emerge with a renewed understanding of the fragile nature of democracy, as my grandparents did during the War (WWII). They cherished our republic, because they lost theirs to Hitler. Now we need a little patriotic cherish, ourselves.
Our system of government worked exceptionally well on election day, to an extent that is virtually unheard of in the world; a man who was opposed by the elitist class that runs this country, actually WON the White House due to the support of the people. It was one of the most uniquely democratic events of the past 200 years, and very well may never happen again.
1. Don McGahn came out publicly and confirmed in an interview that Trump ordered him to fire Mueller back in August and McGahn refused and threatened to resign. Trump backed off.
2. Yes, it's proof of obstruction.
You're welcome.
As you might suspect, I disagree with much of the good Captain's perceptions of the events enumerated in his OP, but do in general agree with your premise of Trump needing to be found guilty of either a crime while in office or something election related
But I am a bit torn on what to do if he was found to have committed a serious crime before his Presidency. Say if he was found to have sent the knee-capper that Stormy Daniels claims threatened her and her kid, or some other serious crime against the U.S.
I believe his past behavior before the election should remain in the past. But if it's something really heinous, well I don't want a serious felony-level criminal running the country either. So I agree in general, but am willing to make exception.
Lots of folks disgusted over the tactics of Mueller's team and Rosenstein approving the raids of those who have been co-operating with the investigation.
Breaking down doors with guns drawn to seize computers, files etc. in wee hours of the morning instead of taking the proper route through subpoenas. Usually the thug tactics are reserved for terrorists, drug lords and dangerous people.
While some are calling for Rosenstein's head for permitting such tactics along with his lack of cooperation with Congress for not turning over documents, Alan Dershowitz had an excellent idea on how to remove Rosenstein without firing him. He said since Rosenstein was one of the people who signed off on renewing a FISA request to spy on those associated with Trump's campaign/transition team that was not forthcoming to FISC on reasons it should be renewed, must be made to recuse himself from the investigation. Then replace him with someone that will reign in Mueller in his investigation.
I’ve been watching the rabid attempts to undermine and unseat the President in the MSM and echoed in this Forum in post after post since November 2016.
Yes, ever since the election after the psychic shock of the “upset” victory wore off, there has been a no holds barred, manic effort to find some way, any way to undo the results of that election either via impeachment or resignation.
It started with simple unfitness for office with members of the mental health professions signing petitions declaring him mentally unfit. Then there was a massive deluge of leaks about any and every thing some “current or former member of government” considered “improper” poured in the willing ears of the MSN.
Finally, thanks to the Steele Dossier the “resistance” jelled around Russian election interference which the President must have actively colluded in. Didn’t he publicly ask the Russian to hack her during his campaign? :roll: (No, he actually didn’t, but don’t let facts get in the way of a narrative.)
Either Director Comey was unaware that his agency, the FBI, used it to get a FISA warrant to tap the communications of Carter Page with the intent to investigate Trump, or his unwillingness to inform the President whether or not he was under investigation which resulted in his discharge was an intentional failure to do his duty.
The President rightly lost trust in him and fired him. After that, it’s been obstruction (which it was not) and “collusion, collusion, collusion!” with nothing to actually show it.
As predicted, the witch hunt may have found some kind of information completely unrelated to “Russian interference,” which not being under Mueller’s writ, has been passed off to “local agency” to investigate. This resulted in the Cohen "raid" via possible money laundering or fund misuse from the Stormy Daniels sex scandal.
Now, it’s “Campaign fund misuse” and “money laundering,” or whatever other dirt may have been found that had nothing to do with the original investigation. This is exactly what all those in this Forum and out in public have been hoping for.
Well, if the President is forced from office for any reason other than knowing and willing conspiracy with a foreign power to undermine the election process, then all the Left’s naysaying notwithstanding, it proves this is and always WAS a “Witch Hunt” with the intent to negate the election by any means necessary.
If successful, then my faith in our system of government will be completely erased; since this will demonstrate that mob "justice" is the rule, and "by any means necessary" is the method.
Lots of folks disgusted over the tactics of Mueller's team and Rosenstein approving the raids of those who have been co-operating with the investigation. Breaking down doors with guns drawn to seize computers, files etc. in wee hours of the morning instead of taking the proper route through subpoenas. Usually the thug tactics are reserved for terrorists, drug lords and dangerous people.
While some are calling for Rosenstein's head for permitting such tactics along with his lack of cooperation with Congress for not turning over documents, Alan Dershowitz had an excellent idea on how to remove Rosenstein without firing him. He said since Rosenstein was one of the people who signed off on renewing a FISA request to spy on those associated with Trump's campaign/transition team that was not forthcoming to FISC on reasons it should be renewed, must be made to recuse himself from the investigation. Then replace him with someone that will reign in Mueller in his investigation.
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