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If Trump is not behaving as an authoritarian

This is backwards. Fascists do fire thousands of disloyal government workers,

Is that what Trump did? Nope. For example, when Trump fired 6000 IRS "workers", and he didn't give two shits if they voted for him or not.

and they reduce government regulations that get in the way of consolidating power while expanding regulations that centralize power and give them the authority to use military force to keep order.

Yes, but he's doing it legally:

HOW CAN TROOPS LEGALLY BE DEPLOYED WITHIN THE UNITED STATES?​

Trump cited Title 10 of the U.S. Code, a federal law that outlines the role of the U.S. Armed Forces, in his June 7 order to call members of the California National Guard into federal service.
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A provision of Title 10 - Section 12406- allows the president to deploy National Guard units into federal service if the U.S. is invaded, there is a "rebellion or danger of rebellion" or the president is "unable with the regular forces to execute the laws of the United States."
The president also has the authority to deploy active duty troops, like the Marines, within the United States in limited cases.

In a fascist government, what's "legal" is whatever the leader says is legal.

Fascists also greatly reduce bureaucracy, since bureaucracy by its very nature is an impediment to efficiency in government action.

Good Lord. Every totalitarian state has had enormous bureaucracies to control every aspect of life. You can't do it any other way.

Fascist leaders don't want to get permission from others in the government before they act. Who does that sound like?

It sounds like you don't have any idea what you're talking about. All fascist governments are dictatorships. Fascist leaders don't need "permission" to do anything.
 
Mussolini and Hitler and Salazar abolished private labor unions.

So has every socialist country. If you disagree, name a socialist state that allowed independent unions and allowed workers to strike. There aren't any. The closest your ideology came to allowing independent unions was in yugoslavia under tito, but even then, their interests had to align with the party's goals.
 
So has every socialist country. If you disagree, name a socialist state that allowed independent unions and allowed workers to strike. There aren't any. The closest your ideology came to allowing independent unions was in yugoslavia under tito, but even then, their interests had to align with the party's goals.
You’re fighting a strawman.

Have fun I guess 🤷‍♀️
 
Fascists don't fire thousands of government workers, nor do they try to reduce government regulations (they greatly increase them), nor to they ever try to reduce the roll of the state regarding the education of children. Instead, they centralize power, expand bureaucracy, and impose top-down control over every aspect of life.

Trump definitely has an authoritarian streak, but he is not a fascist.

Pro tip: learn what words mean before using them.
All fascist regimes have consolidated.
 
Why is it so easy to find so many parallels to fascist regimes in the past and the present?
I don't think that is a very good argument. People can find parallels to anything in history, literature, or mythology they want. For example, the far right constantly compared Clinton and Obama to the Nazis, communist regimes and so on, but their comparisons were utterly absurd even though they believed they were valid.

I think Trump has authoritarian tendencies, but I don't the argument you are making is a good argument for that.
 
Fascists were Socialists. The "experts" will be here to explain that soon.
Plus this question suggests TDS and "hatred" of Trump.
Also, whatabout Joe Biden?
Getting ahead of the flood I see.
 
Fascists don't fire thousands of government workers, nor do they try to reduce government regulations (they greatly increase them), nor to they ever try to reduce the roll of the state regarding the education of children. Instead, they centralize power, expand bureaucracy, and impose top-down control over every aspect of life.

Trump definitely has an authoritarian streak, but he is not a fascist.
Pro tip: learn what words mean before using them.
That is so ****ing stupid it's hard to respond without describing it accurately. If you don't know reality, why try to comment on it? Virtually everything you claimed was simply false.
 
I don't think that is a very good argument. People can find parallels to anything in history, literature, or mythology they want. For example, the far right constantly compared Clinton and Obama to the Nazis, communist regimes and so on, but their comparisons were utterly absurd even though they believed they were valid.

I think Trump has authoritarian tendencies, but I don't the argument you are making is a good argument for that.
Why not? How can one otherwise define it? It is, after all, about definition. When defining, one compares behavior against the standards previously established. Just because some make specious and easily refuted claims does not undermine the validity of better established claims. Thus, those that know Trump best, and those that understand fascism best are nearly universal in their consensus. That is a lot of considered judgment to overcome.
 
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Fascists don't fire thousands of government workers, nor do they try to reduce government regulations (they greatly increase them), nor to they ever try to reduce the roll of the state regarding the education of children. Instead, they centralize power, expand bureaucracy, and impose top-down control over every aspect of life.

Trump definitely has an authoritarian streak, but he is not a fascist.

Pro tip: learn what words mean before using them.

“ Gleichschaltung was the process of the Nazi Party taking control over all aspects of Germany. It is otherwise known as coordination or Nazification. The process primarily took place between 1933-1934.

The Nazi’s started with the Civil Service , issuing the Act for the Restoration of the Professional Civil Service on the 7 April 1933. This act legalised removing anyone of non-Ayran descent from the civil service.”


Pro tip: maybe study history before purporting to educate others on it.

What is happening now is not a decentralization of power, it is a consolidation of it. The only people being fired are those who are deemed likely to obstruct the exercise of federal power.

If you are truly a libertarian you are failing miserably.
 
It is going to be fun to watch folks start to realize that they've been played.
I wonder how deep into destruction we will have to get before we get to that inflection point for the average MAGA.
Very deep, indeed. The resistance is strong in many of them.
 
Well, except that fascists have historically rolled back regulations - especially around labor protections, unions, legal due process, etc. And they’ve purged government agencies of individuals they saw as not ideologically aligned, attacked teachers and educational institutions…

But hey…if we ignore what has happened in fascist regimes of the past, then your post makes sense

😂
That takes considerable effort, too. So much material to ignore.
 
Leftists: Why is Trump sending in the National Guard to stop our riots? FASCIST!!!!

Also leftists: Why didnt Trump send in the nation Guard to stop the January 6 riot??!!!??? FASCIST!!!

Oh...wait...he offered 10k troops in advance and was denied by both Pelosi and Bowser...and then the Guard actually DID respond...less than 3 hours after the initial entry.

Wha...well...I mean...still FASCIST!!!! FASCIST!!!!! FAAAASSSSCCCCIIIIIIIIIIISSSSTTTT!!!!!!!!
Lie, lie, lie. It's such a habit. It's almost as if you prefer fascism.
 
Why not? How can one otherwise define it? It is, after all, about definition. When defining, one compares behavior against the standards previously established. Just because some make specious and easily refuted claims does not undermine the validity of better established claims. Thus, those that know Trump best, and those that understand fascism best are nearly universal in their consensus. That is a lot of considered judgment to overcome.
It’s fine to say these are elements of authoritarianism and this is how Trump is an authoritarian. I think where people make a mistake is saying Trump is just like the Nazis, the Nazis did x and Trump is doing the same thing.

People compare what they don’t like to the Nazis and to communists because those are the most evil regimes they can think of. In terms of correlations with past regimes, Trumpism most closely aligns with the Perons of Argentina. They were anti-immigrant, anti-intellectual, anti-mainstream media, anti-trade, anti-central bank independence and so on, and the result of their governance transformed a country that was per-capita wealthier than the United States into the economic train-wreck that Argentina is today.
 
Fascists don't fire thousands of government workers, nor do they try to reduce government regulations (they greatly increase them), nor to they ever try to reduce the roll of the state regarding the education of children. Instead, they centralize power, expand bureaucracy, and impose top-down control over every aspect of life.

Trump definitely has an authoritarian streak, but he is not a fascist.

Pro tip: learn what words mean before using them.
Whether he is a fascist or not is rather moot, on par with whether or not he is left handed. The point is he is authoritarian with an unquenchable lust for power and no respect for laws, the constitution or the American people. Who cares what his political philosophy is, he is antithetical to American democracy and their America itself?
 
One problem with your argument: that is done by fascist regimes. For the Nazis it was The Law for the Restoration of the Professional Professionals which fired thousands for the obvious reasons and also if you weren't an actual Nazi. Pinochet fired thousands to cut government spending and as an excuse to get rid of non-supporters from the ranks. Also, it was to get rid of state-sponsored industry in many sectors to have them more privatized since in many fascist states it is the private industry that benefits from fascists with de-regulation of their businesses, collecting government contracts without many strings attached. Regulations DO show up...but not in the way you think: they are used as punishment to non-supporters and as ways to consolidate power.

You used education as an example. What we see in fascist societies when it comes to education, it gets privatized...with the understanding that they follow The Law for the Restoration of the Professional Professionals. So, it's not really regulation so much as consolidation of power. Here's what an educator experienced in 1933 (Peter Drucker):

"Frankfurt was the first university the Nazis tackled, precisely because it was the most self-confidently liberal of major German universities, with a faculty that prided itself on its allegiance to scholarship, freedom of conscience, and democracy. The Nazis knew that control of Frankfurt University would mean control of German academia. And so did everyone at the university.

Above all, Frankfurt had a science faculty distinguished both by its scholarship and by its liberal convictions; and outstanding among the Frankfurt scientists was a biochemist-physiologist of Nobel-Prize caliber and impeccable liberal credentials. When the appointment of a Nazi commissar was announced . . . and every teacher and graduate assistant at the university was summoned to a faculty meeting to hear this new master, everybody knew that a trial of strength was at hand. I had never before attended a faculty meeting, but I did attend this one.

The new Nazi commissar wasted no time on the amenities. He immediately announced that Jews would be forbidden to enter university premises and would be dismissed without salary on March 15; this was something that no one had thought possible despite the Nazis’ loud antisemitism. Then he launched into a tirade of abuse, filth, and four-letter words such as had been heard rarely even in the barracks and never before in academia. . . . [He] pointed his finger at one department chairman after another and said, “You either do what I tell you or we’ll put you into a concentration camp.” There was silence when he finished; everybody waited for the distinguished biochemist-physiologist. The great liberal got up, cleared his throat, and said, “Very interesting, Mr. Commissar, and in some respects very illuminating: but one point I didn’t get too clearly. Will there be more money for research in physiology?"

The meeting broke up shortly thereafter with the commissar assuring the scholars that indeed there would be plenty of money for “racially pure science.” A few of the professors had the courage to walk out with their Jewish colleagues, but most kept a safe distance from these who only a few hours earlier had been their close friends. I went out sick unto death—and I knew that I was going to leave Germany within forty-eight hours."


That's punishing those who don't toe the party line. That is not regulation. Because the university mentioned here was funded by wealthy Germans privately, even though its admission policy was one of public use. After WW2, it would become a public university, but at the time of Hitler's ascension, it was not.

Now, there are exceptions to the rule, I will grant you that, but they are exceptions. However, you see mass firings of government in both fascist and authoritarian regimes. Pol Pot, Stalin, Tojo, etc. It's all about consolidation of power. Trump, I will grant you, dances on the edge of but hasn't committed just yet.

The reason why folks view Trump as a fascist is because he is not genuine in his desire to cut spending: we are actually seeing this now. DOGE was a consolidation of power, getting rid of those who might be a problem. Honestly,. DOGE was a purge done very poorly. Trump is attacking education that won't support him...again poorly. Department heads who are not really qualified to lead said agencies, usually have skin in making profit on the area that agency may affect. We are seeing regulations that punish, but do not reform...these are the reasons why (among many more) that folks think Trump a fascist.

The reason why he technically not really in that ideology firmly is simply due to his incompetence: he makes a better authoritarian because he would suck as fascist. But there have been "leaders" who turned out to suck as fascists, so you can't rule Trump out of becoming one.
 
Fascists don't fire thousands of government workers, nor do they try to reduce government regulations (they greatly increase them), nor to they ever try to reduce the roll of the state regarding the education of children. Instead, they centralize power, expand bureaucracy, and impose top-down control over every aspect of life.

Trump definitely has an authoritarian streak, but he is not a fascist.

Pro tip: learn what words mean before using them.
You don’t even know the history of Fascism. Mussolini fired over 35,000 government workers.
 
One problem with your argument: that is done by fascist regimes. .....
That's punishing those who don't toe the party line. That is not regulation.
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The reason why he technically not really in that ideology firmly is simply due to his incompetence: he makes a better authoritarian because he would suck as fascist. But there have been "leaders" who turned out to suck as fascists, so you can't rule Trump out of becoming one.
Thanks for the details. I've been traveling all day and couldn't respond in detail.
 
Trumps story is he is a businessman never a politician. In business you chop heads at the first sign of trouble announcing mass layoffs.. In politics you have to be diplomatic before chopping heads.
 
Obama sends in ICE and collectively deports 5 MILLION illegal immigrants. What a guy.

Trump sends in ICE to un**** the damage caused by the demented rat retard you all put in office....OHMIGARSH!!! FASCIST!!! FASCIST!!!!!!

The answer remains clear. Its not Trump. Its you.
I guess you do not believe in voting. You assert that the President can dictate to and take over States. It's vile, Un-American and Civil War.
 
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