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If I was MItt I would run on "American Pride" which Obama has none of..

Travis007 said:
No , Id like Mitt to just hammer on how anti america obama is and obamas associations and how many times he has been an apologist..etc..
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Well sometimes an apology is warranted, like calling someone is unamerican for not enlisting in the military at age 13-14. In fact I couldn't help but notice a parallel, you've called someone out for not serving in war time but I can't help but notice the lack of a star under your name to denote military service. And this is a time of war is it not?
 


You just keep saying "we're number one", meanwhile high schoolers can't read, our middle class shrinks, and the wealthy invest in other countries.

You're like the NFL player on the sideline who scores a touchdown then holds up number 1, "We're number one", even though his team is still losing 48-7.

"We're number one".
 
Romney should stick with his current strategy to focus on the economy because no American president has been reelected when unemployment has been higher than 7.2 percent in more than 50 years. Obama is still slightly leading in the polls but the odds are against him given the current economic situation and some say that Obama is facing his Jimmy Carter moment because Carter was defeated by Reagan when the economy was in a recession and there are signs of desperation for the Obama campaign.
 
This thread is ridiculous. Most people like Obama personally, they just don't like the state the country is in. Most people don't like Romney. A guy most people don't like is not going to win against a guy that most people do like by personally bashing him. I know some people just hate Obama, but that group hates any Democrat (before Obama it was Clinton). They are the right wing base of the Republican Party, any Republican gets their vote anyway. If Romney wins this election it will be because Romney manages to convince a majority of Americans that he can do better growing the American economy and creating jobs than Obama has. It's all about the economy.

Remember that Palin tried the garbage espoused in the opening post in 2008 and it was an absolute disaster for the McCain campaign.
 
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AdamT said:
Yeah, this stupidity did wonders for McCain.
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McCain was up against up a Chicago thug with the MSM firmly in his back pocket. Like I said before, if Obama was caught on video taking a hit from a crackpipe, people like you would still support him and believe he is the "Messenger of Change". You arrogantly scoff that a presidential candidate who would dare run a campaign based in pride for his country. Tell me something genius, why would we want someone as president who isn't proud of his country? If you're not proud of your country wtf would you want to be president unless you want to destroy it.

Do you believe there is something wrong with running a campaign that is based in having pride for your country? Why should we be embarrassed and ashamed for being proud of the greatest country on the face of the Earth? I'm curious why you chose to specifically label it as "stupidity".

If you look at the raw polls from the election in 2008, you'll see that once McCain added Palin to the ticket, his polling skyrocketed. He was beating Obama by 8 points up until the financial crisis hit.

What hurt McCain was suspending his campaign along with a MSM so intent on objectifying and mischaracterizing the political opposition they didn't care if their pom poms were laid bare for the world to behold.

It's the exact same thing this election cycle. Liberals and Obama running on dividing the country by class, blatantly lying, massive hypocrisy, ect. The Obama Campaign emails the narrative talking points to the media, who proceed to psychologically plant the seeds for their political allies into the minds of the public.
 

Whah! Liberal media! Whah! American exceptionalism!

Please. Stop with the excuses. What killed McCain was his support for the war in Iraq, the fact that he was like a deer in headlights when the economy tanked, and the fact that he selected complete dimwit for his VP nominee. And of course Obama, who creamed him in every debate.
 
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Redress said:
So when your lies get exposed, you shift ground.
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I didn't lie... and the only thing you exposed is a preference for inaccurate liberal media sources... such as snopes and politfact...

Here is what I said...


So what's at issue here?

- Sitting through the Reverend Wright sermons, and lying about it after

In 1995, he says Wright is a great man, that he inspired him to become who he is today, that he dedicated a chapter in his book to him, and says that Reverend Wright represents "the best the black church has to offer"...

Obama Speaks Of Rev. Wright In This 1995 Interview - YouTube

Then says Rev Wright never said anything incindiary like the videos people have seen of his speeches when he was there.

Then later say he did witness Wright saying things that most people would find controversial...

Barack Obama Lies To America - YouTube

lie... after lie... after lie...


- refusing to wear the American Flag lapel

Against the pin
Obama Refuses to Wear The Flag Pin - YouTube

For the pin, "yesterday", then lies and says he never said he won't wear one... but doesn't have one on, eventhough he was given one by a veteran who asked him to wear it the day before...
Obama on the flag pin - YouTube


- nodding and smiling as his wife says "all this for a ---- flag"

I posted the actual video... You posted a discussion board... Which is more open to bias, the actual video, or people's opinions of the video?

That discussion board you posted because it says deaf people think they say Michelle actually said "it's amazing how they fold that flag"...

Only, there are bagpipes being played at the time, no one is folding anything. So why would she be saying "It's amazing how they fold that flag?" Furthermore, this doesn't jive with the look of disgust on her face which is clearly not a look of amazement and approval... Keeping in mind this is the same woman who had made the statements that "That's America" after a tirade about how bad it is... and "This is the first time I'm proud of my country" after they voted for her husband... Why you find it so hard to believe she said a damning thing about America prior to that is beyond me... She'd made her whole life about everything being wrong with America up until she got the chance to become first lady...

And here, I'll post another video of the same event...

Michelle Obama Disrespects The American Flag At 9/11 Ceremony. - YouTube

If you want... there's more video...

This one of Barack Obama on stage... the lone person without the flag lapelle, and the lone one not holding his hand to his heart...

Obama Disrespects The National Anthem - YouTube

There's another one, too, where the crowd has to force him to do the pledge of allegiance, and he concedes begrudgingly...

- the arab apology tour

I'll agree... that's a bit narrow... he apologized to nearly the entire world for America... including doing so at the UN building... in the very city where the 9/11 attack occured...

Obama Apology Tour 2009 - YouTube

The apology tour...

America's Shame: Obama Calls U.S. "Arrogant" & "Dismissive" in Speech in France - YouTube

America's failure to appreciate Europe's leading role in the world?!?!? That's our president...


This is Romney setting it straight

Mitt Romney on the Obama Apology Tour - YouTube

Romney On Obama's Apology Tour - YouTube


So there you have it...


both proof of my statements against Obama, and proof that there is the undertone and the attacks on the matter by Romney...

Now back to the real focus... THE ECONOMY!!!

$16T in debt, unemployment around 8%, and gas well over $3/gallon...
 
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And now we Obama adding 6 trillion to the national debt in just 4 yrs, unemployment above 8% for who knows how many months, Obama the first president to have our credit downgraded, the black community unemployment at 14%, more people on food stamps than ever before, more poor than ever before, should I go on and on. Obama is a failure that you fail to acknowledge, and why, because you like Obama failure.
 
Obama doesnt have "pride" in America? :shock:
 
TheDemSocialist said:
Obama doesnt have "pride" in America? :shock:
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Of course ... the President of the United States ... the Commander in Chief ... doesn't have pride in America....

You can't make this **** up. :lol:
 

Good idea... problem is that Mitt cant do that. A man who avoided Vietnam by living in a multi-million dollar appartment in Paris while being a so called missionary, a man who has overseas bank accounts and a man who refuses to release his tax returns and a man who actively outsourced jobs overseas and leaving American's unemployed.. for profit.... is not a man who has USA first... it is a man who has himself first and USA last.
 
Daktoria said:
If you were realistic, you would know that government is artificial. Leadership has to originate outside government. Otherwise, all you get are perpetually inward looking cowards.
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Realize that inward looking is my preference. I'm an Isolationist and a Nationalist. One of my issues with Reagan was that he spent too much time and energy looking outside the borders of this nation and not enough time looking inward.
 

Romny would get pummeled if he tried to run on that garbage...he isnt running on that garbage and WE still dont know what this chameleon stands for....the debates may tell the tale...and he may not be able to hide
 
Jetboogieman said:
Except you don't represent anything the nation is actually about.
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Correct. I represent what this nation was SUPPOSED TO BE about rather than the warped ideals that it now embraces.
 
If I were Obama, I would invest in hologram technology and let mitt debate himself during the general while I have a nice date with michelle.
 

And yet Obama was elected President and you were not.

So I suppose the political issues facing our nation are much more involved and nuanced than you think.
 
Tigger said:
Correct. I represent what this nation was SUPPOSED TO BE about rather than the warped ideals that it now embraces.
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A nation does not determine its' people.

Rather, the people determine their nation.
 
samsmart said:
A nation does not determine its' people. Rather, the people determine their nation.
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That's one of my biggest problems with this country, sam. The fact that the People have way too much influence on society and Government without any requirement that they prove themselves worthy of having that influence.
 

I quick word on Rev. Wright. What a lot of people don't get, especially if they're not church goers themselves, is the decision to join and stay at a particular church is not based exclusively upon the pastor any more than accepting and remaining at a job is based upon whether or not you can wholeheartedly endorse everything the boss says or does. I can understand how non-church members and even some church goers can think church membership is all about showing up on Sunday to be preached at by the Pastor but honestly that's only a small part of it. There are community service outreaches that could be exclusive and unique to a specific church that weigh far more heavily on one's commitment to a church that who's the Pastor. There's the overall impact a church is making on a community through things like youth mentoring, education, marriage reinforcement or vocational training that you might want to support all of which the pastor could have little to no involvement.

Secondly, there are relationships with close friends that are forged at churches and by leaving a church you'd also be seeing dear friends less often in this case presumably because you don't think you're mature or intelligent enough not to automatically agree with each and every word uttered by the pastor on Sunday mornings on the few occasions he might go off the deep end (if my math is right, 2 or 3 times in 20 years). I also think in the case of Obama, a big factor was political/constituent networking. Trinity United was and remains a highly influential church on the Southside of Chicago. As a legislator, if you're going to be a church member somewhere its not a bad idea to go to the largest church in the community where you serve so as opportunity permits your constituents can have access to you, share their concerns in a more casual setting and allow you to see and experience life through their eyes.

Secondly, the controversial sermon Rev. Wright shared IMHO was not about a disdain for America but an attempt to make sense of and try to find a spiritual connection between what he saw as America's sins and the lack God's hand of protection on our nation. Other ministers on the evangelical right do that all the time but usually based on the social issues whereas Rev. Wright did so citing American foreign policy. In fact if I recall, at least two far more prominent evangelical ministers made a connection between the 9-11 tragedy and America's homosexual community as being spiritually causative. When tragedy occurs Christians tend to look for answers. I'm not saying I agree with Rev. Wright but when Christians think they've figured out the answers it doesn't mean they're happy that they happened but rather hope they now have the insights to understand, seek forgiveness and change. But in any regard, people in the audience cannot be held responsible for what somebody else thinks and says and even more so if they weren't present the day the comments were made IMHO.
 
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Tigger said:
Realize that inward looking is my preference. I'm an Isolationist and a Nationalist. One of my issues with Reagan was that he spent too much time and energy looking outside the borders of this nation and not enough time looking inward.
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Well I certainly agree, but authoritarianism lends itself towards international security - it's militant, lead by elitists, and followed by populists.
 
samsmart said:
A nation does not determine its' people.

Rather, the people determine their nation.
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Mmm...

...I'm not sure what you mean here.

Ideals define behavior. Which way does that go in your book - nations determining people, or people determining nations?
 
Daktoria said:
Well I certainly agree, but authoritarianism lends itself towards international security - it's militant, lead by elitists, and followed by populists.
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That really depends on how it's run, Daktoria. I believe it can be structured so that it maintains both a Nationalist and an Isolationist philosophy.
 
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