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Many of the "facts" you list are disputed or simply false. Obviously, neither have all the information so honest mistakes happen.Consider these facts:
The Breonna Taylor shooting case was considered by a grand jury today, who chose not to charge the police with murder. One cop was SEPARATELY charged with other crimes, but that was unrelated to the police officers who fired into the apartment where Taylor and her boyfriend lived.
The "news" media, democrats and especially BLM, have portrayed the events related to the shooting inconsistency and dishonestly. Their "narrative" goes like this: "the racist police showed up to Breonna's home, and arbitrarily murdered her for NO REASON, other than racism"!
First of all, B. Taylor was going out with a violent drug trafficker, and she'd been linked to his trafficking, because she'd been repeatedly seen in and out of her boyfriend's separate drug stash house.
More importantly, the police came to their apartment to serve a "NO KNOCK" arrest and search warrant, after conducting an investigation into the 2. They were allowed to just kick the door in without notifying the 2 suspects of their presence, but they CHOSE TO KNOCK ANYWAY.
After knocking and making their presence as cops known, Taylor's boyfriend grabbed his gun and began firing at the officers THROUGH THE CLOSED DOOR! So the police fired back, and unfortunately, unintentionally shot Breonna. It's obviously bad that she died, but she WOULDN'T have died if her boyfriend didn't fire at the police, and/or if she wasn't living with a violent drug trafficker!
The reasonable and rational grand jury understood these facts, and realized that the police were in the right to return fire, when being fired on! So they didn't charge the officers who shot into their apartment with murder, plain and simply. Contrary to the left's narrative, this was NOT a matter of an innocent black woman being killed for no reason by racist cops....
Should police have to just stand by and be murdered by violent criminals, or should they be able to fire back when fired upon?
Should not have happened, police state tactics. But murder? Of course not, left fake narrative talkers have blood on their handsConsider these facts:
The Breonna Taylor shooting case was considered by a grand jury today, who chose not to charge the police with murder. One cop was SEPARATELY charged with other crimes, but that was unrelated to the police officers who fired into the apartment where Taylor and her boyfriend lived.
The "news" media, democrats and especially BLM, have portrayed the events related to the shooting inconsistency and dishonestly. Their "narrative" goes like this: "the racist police showed up to Breonna's home, and arbitrarily murdered her for NO REASON, other than racism"!
First of all, B. Taylor was going out with a violent drug trafficker, and she'd been linked to his trafficking, because she'd been repeatedly seen in and out of her boyfriend's separate drug stash house.
More importantly, the police came to their apartment to serve a "NO KNOCK" arrest and search warrant, after conducting an investigation into the 2. They were allowed to just kick the door in without notifying the 2 suspects of their presence, but they CHOSE TO KNOCK ANYWAY.
After knocking and making their presence as cops known, Taylor's boyfriend grabbed his gun and began firing at the officers THROUGH THE CLOSED DOOR! So the police fired back, and unfortunately, unintentionally shot Breonna. It's obviously bad that she died, but she WOULDN'T have died if her boyfriend didn't fire at the police, and/or if she wasn't living with a violent drug trafficker!
The reasonable and rational grand jury understood these facts, and realized that the police were in the right to return fire, when being fired on! So they didn't charge the officers who shot into their apartment with murder, plain and simply. Contrary to the left's narrative, this was NOT a matter of an innocent black woman being killed for no reason by racist cops....
Should police have to just stand by and be murdered by violent criminals, or should they be able to fire back when fired upon?
The cops are banging at your door, it's two in the morning and they are not announcing themselves, as a matter of fact they are at the wrong house. The banging gets louder and then a battering ram starts being used on your door. You're a legal firearm owner and scared shitless because you don't know who is trying to break your door down. What do you do?Consider these facts:
The Breonna Taylor shooting case was considered by a grand jury today, who chose not to charge the police with murder. One cop was SEPARATELY charged with other crimes, but that was unrelated to the police officers who fired into the apartment where Taylor and her boyfriend lived.
The "news" media, democrats and especially BLM, have portrayed the events related to the shooting inconsistency and dishonestly. Their "narrative" goes like this: "the racist police showed up to Breonna's home, and arbitrarily murdered her for NO REASON, other than racism"!
First of all, B. Taylor was going out with a violent drug trafficker, and she'd been linked to his trafficking, because she'd been repeatedly seen in and out of her boyfriend's separate drug stash house.
More importantly, the police came to their apartment to serve a "NO KNOCK" arrest and search warrant, after conducting an investigation into the 2. They were allowed to just kick the door in without notifying the 2 suspects of their presence, but they CHOSE TO KNOCK ANYWAY.
After knocking and making their presence as cops known, Taylor's boyfriend grabbed his gun and began firing at the officers THROUGH THE CLOSED DOOR! So the police fired back, and unfortunately, unintentionally shot Breonna. It's obviously bad that she died, but she WOULDN'T have died if her boyfriend didn't fire at the police, and/or if she wasn't living with a violent drug trafficker!
The reasonable and rational grand jury understood these facts, and realized that the police were in the right to return fire, when being fired on! So they didn't charge the officers who shot into their apartment with murder, plain and simply. Contrary to the left's narrative, this was NOT a matter of an innocent black woman being killed for no reason by racist cops....
Should police have to just stand by and be murdered by violent criminals, or should they be able to fire back when fired upon?
Not at wrong house no.The cops are banging at your door, it's two in the morning and they are not announcing themselves, as a matter of fact they are at the wrong house. The banging gets louder and then a battering ram starts being used on your door. You're a legal firearm owner and scared shitless because you don't know who is trying to break your door down. What do you do?
This question has nothing to do with that shooting, it's strictly hypothetical.Not at wrong house no.
Who is claiming walker was in the wrong to shoot?
Consider these facts:
The Breonna Taylor shooting case was considered by a grand jury today, who chose not to charge the police with murder. One cop was SEPARATELY charged with other crimes, but that was unrelated to the police officers who fired into the apartment where Taylor and her boyfriend lived.
The "news" media, democrats and especially BLM, have portrayed the events related to the shooting inconsistency and dishonestly. Their "narrative" goes like this: "the racist police showed up to Breonna's home, and arbitrarily murdered her for NO REASON, other than racism"!
First of all, B. Taylor was going out with a violent drug trafficker, and she'd been linked to his trafficking, because she'd been repeatedly seen in and out of her boyfriend's separate drug stash house.
More importantly, the police came to their apartment to serve a "NO KNOCK" arrest and search warrant, after conducting an investigation into the 2. They were allowed to just kick the door in without notifying the 2 suspects of their presence, but they CHOSE TO KNOCK ANYWAY.
After knocking and making their presence as cops known, Taylor's boyfriend grabbed his gun and began firing at the officers THROUGH THE CLOSED DOOR! So the police fired back, and unfortunately, unintentionally shot Breonna. It's obviously bad that she died, but she WOULDN'T have died if her boyfriend didn't fire at the police, and/or if she wasn't living with a violent drug trafficker!
The reasonable and rational grand jury understood these facts, and realized that the police were in the right to return fire, when being fired on! So they didn't charge the officers who shot into their apartment with murder, plain and simply. Contrary to the left's narrative, this was NOT a matter of an innocent black woman being killed for no reason by racist cops....
Should police have to just stand by and be murdered by violent criminals, or should they be able to fire back when fired upon?
The legal status of the shooter is irrelevant to whether or not the police should use deadly force.
No knock warrants need to be done away with. Too many "mistakes". If a place really is that dangerous, surround it. Have announcements made from loudspeaker or even helicopter. Make sure they know you're there and what you're saying, and then you can more reasonably use force.
Taylor's death shows just how loose it is. They busted in, armed, unannounced, (weren't they in plainclothes), and the lawful firearm owner naturally assumed he was about to get killed by criminals. Turns out it was his girlfriend who got killed by criminals, only one of whom faces any charges, and not manslaughter charges.
Drunkenly break into the wrong house and then when the owner shoots at you, kill someone in that house yourself: hello 2nd degree murder, or at the very least voluntary manslaughter (if the jury feels bad for you). I say "drunkenly" because otherwise, you're obviously intending an armed home invasion. So did these cops, but they had their no-knock warrant which removes that bit from the puzzle (unless they lied to get it).
One of the heart-breaking things I read is that they tried to get the guy to admit his dead GF was in the drug business, when she wasn't.
Imagine being him. She's dead and this is what the "protect and serve" people are doing. Sickening.
Apparently you have never been on a grand jury. I was the foreman of a federal grand jury for 18 months and I can tell you it is how and what "facts" are provided by the DA that makes the difference. It is all one sided, only the prosecutors can decide who testifies and what and how questions are asked. The prosecutors can either make the fact say the person is guilty or make them out to be innocent. One thing, there was one person who said he heard the cops identify themselves but no one else of the neighbors did. Were the ones who said that they heard nothing allowed to be questioned before the Grand jury. And was the jury allowed to ask where the person who heard the cops was when he heard them. Without knowing how and who was questioned in the grand jury, you can not say that because the jury did not indict that it was a good decision.
Yes, police should be able to shoot back that those that are firing at them, but no one else.Consider these facts:
The Breonna Taylor shooting case was considered by a grand jury today, who chose not to charge the police with murder. One cop was SEPARATELY charged with other crimes, but that was unrelated to the police officers who fired into the apartment where Taylor and her boyfriend lived.
The "news" media, democrats and especially BLM, have portrayed the events related to the shooting inconsistency and dishonestly. Their "narrative" goes like this: "the racist police showed up to Breonna's home, and arbitrarily murdered her for NO REASON, other than racism"!
First of all, B. Taylor was going out with a violent drug trafficker, and she'd been linked to his trafficking, because she'd been repeatedly seen in and out of her boyfriend's separate drug stash house.
More importantly, the police came to their apartment to serve a "NO KNOCK" arrest and search warrant, after conducting an investigation into the 2. They were allowed to just kick the door in without notifying the 2 suspects of their presence, but they CHOSE TO KNOCK ANYWAY.
After knocking and making their presence as cops known, Taylor's boyfriend grabbed his gun and began firing at the officers THROUGH THE CLOSED DOOR! So the police fired back, and unfortunately, unintentionally shot Breonna. It's obviously bad that she died, but she WOULDN'T have died if her boyfriend didn't fire at the police, and/or if she wasn't living with a violent drug trafficker!
The reasonable and rational grand jury understood these facts, and realized that the police were in the right to return fire, when being fired on! So they didn't charge the officers who shot into their apartment with murder, plain and simply. Contrary to the left's narrative, this was NOT a matter of an innocent black woman being killed for no reason by racist cops....
Should police have to just stand by and be murdered by violent criminals, or should they be able to fire back when fired upon?
Apparently you have never been on a grand jury. I was the foreman of a federal grand jury for 18 months and I can tell you it is how and what "facts" are provided by the DA that makes the difference. It is all one sided, only the prosecutors can decide who testifies and what and how questions are asked. The prosecutors can either make the fact say the person is guilty or make them out to be innocent. One thing, there was one person who said he heard the cops identify themselves but no one else of the neighbors did. Were the ones who said that they heard nothing allowed to be questioned before the Grand jury. And was the jury allowed to ask where the person who heard the cops was when he heard them. Without knowing how and who was questioned in the grand jury, you can not say that because the jury did not indict that it was a good decision.
The police had a legitimate reason to be there and had a lawful warrant.
They announced their presence. They were fired upon from behind a closed door. They returned fire.
A very terrible event. But nothing indictable on these police.
The one officer who was indicted was apparently firing from outside the building in the direction of the apartment. That was ridiculous and reckless and it is appropriate he was fired and indicted.
Why bother asking when everyone agrees he can shootThis question has nothing to do with that shooting, it's strictly hypothetical.
And then what happens after the legal firearm owner shoots through his door at whoever is pounding down his door which happens to be the cops. Let me help, we probably have a dead legal firearm owner who was only trying to protect himself. And guess what happens to the cops who are at the wrong door and just killed an innocent person? Correct, nothing.Why bother asking when everyone agrees he can shoot
The question is, why a warrant was issued? Was it because she was once the girl friend of the person the cops were after. You have to have reasonable cause for a warrant, and how did they convince a judge to issue the warrant? I would really want to know how they got the warrant. And they sot an unarmed person in bed. Did the police shoot without checking whether the person was armed?The police had a legitimate reason to be there and had a lawful warrant.
They announced their presence. They were fired upon from behind a closed door. They returned fire.
A very terrible event. But nothing indictable on these police.
The one officer who was indicted was apparently firing from outside the building in the direction of the apartment. That was ridiculous and reckless and it is appropriate he was fired and indicted.
I was also on a grand jury a voted no on almost every bill that was brought up. The DA refused to be questioned on anything. It was like sheep. He would say this is what happened, tell stupid jokes, and then say you must indict and they did. Sorry but that system needs to go.Apparently you have never been on a grand jury. I was the foreman of a federal grand jury for 18 months and I can tell you it is how and what "facts" are provided by the DA that makes the difference. It is all one sided, only the prosecutors can decide who testifies and what and how questions are asked. The prosecutors can either make the fact say the person is guilty or make them out to be innocent. One thing, there was one person who said he heard the cops identify themselves but no one else of the neighbors did. Were the ones who said that they heard nothing allowed to be questioned before the Grand jury. And was the jury allowed to ask where the person who heard the cops was when he heard them. Without knowing how and who was questioned in the grand jury, you can not say that because the jury did not indict that it was a good decision.
I don't know the law enough to know what charges are reasonable. However multiple people should be held accountable. The reckless nature of this incident should not ever happen again. Perhaps the judge is the ultimate person to blame. Perhaps the officers who believed a middle of the night warrant was needed. Do you realize the police were there to search for packages she may have received while dating the ex? Why not a 7am warrant?
I was also on a grand jury a voted no on almost every bill that was brought up. The DA refused to be questioned on anything. It was like sheep. He would say this is what happened, tell stupid jokes, and then say you must indict and they did. Sorry but that system needs to go.
To the OP your question can't be answered in regards to the Taylor incident, neither person was a violent felon.
As far as the announced themselves as police narrative that's bullshit. 12 people interviewed 1 guy who was on his porch and the police told get in your house or be arrested heard this so called announcement.
If aide had been administered to Taylor at the time of the shooting then no charges horrible error, yada yada but no aide was rendered to the woman so depraved indifference for all of them sounds right to me. As far as the attorney general her life did not matter because at one time she was associated with a felon.
All of you guys saying no charges police did the right thing, you better hope the guy cooking meth in his house down the street gets arrested out somewhere and there isn't a no knock warrant issued with your address on it by accident.
What more do you need to prove it other than the police officers own statements and actions, there buddy that took a bullet in the leg had treatment, triage immediately, Taylor laid in her own blood for 20-45 minutes while aide was rendered to the officer and the boyfriend was put in cuffs and charged promptly with attempted murder.I agree that not seeking medical assistance for Miss Taylor is inexcusable. If depraved indifference is the crime, then I totally agree it can be charged. But from what I understand, it's very hard to prove. It has to be extreme indifference to be charged.
But I feel like a lot of people want the police charged for shooting Taylor. I think that was clearly an accident by a bunch of poorly trained officers.
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