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(Idaho Capital Sun) Man dies after being shot in chaotic scene at Salt Lake City’s ‘No Kings’ protest

ClaraD said:
Salt lake is not in Idaho
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Utah follows the same basic principle.
An individual is justified in threatening or using force against another individual when and to the extent that the individual reasonably believes that force or a threat of force is necessary to defend the individual or another individual against the imminent use of unlawful force.
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Utah Code Section 76-2-402

le.utah.gov le.utah.gov
 
ClaraD said:
And? Seeing a person with an AR running towards a crowd of people and refuses to stop is a threat
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What if they were only walking down the street, rifle slung?

Still shoot them, and the person next to them?


www.nbcnews.com

Salt Lake City volunteer's account of deadly shooting questioned after new video emerges

The video appears to show "No Kings" protester Arturo Gamboa, who was arrested on suspicion of murder, pointing his rifle toward the ground, not into the crowd.
www.nbcnews.com www.nbcnews.com

And then lie about it?
 
ClaraD said:
And? Seeing a person with an AR running towards a crowd of people and refuses to stop is a threat
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The latest NBC link (previous post) says nothing like that.

His arrest stems from statements provided to law enforcement by two volunteer “peacekeepers,” who said they saw Gamboa raise an assault-style rifle and point it into a crowd of people.

But a new video appears to show Gamboa pointing his rifle down toward the ground and moving away from three gunshots fired by a safety volunteer.
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Peter said:
Yep, it couldn't be that people are responding to illegal actions by Trump.
Nope, not at all.
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Americans aren't supposed to react in a negative manner to trump's illegal actions.

Unfortunately for trump and MAGA, some of us have yet to accept this pro-authoritarian attitude.
 
The Salt Lake City DA has until today to charge Gamboa or release him. Video evidence suggests the "peacekeeper" who killed an innocent bystander lied or misled police as to the events that day - so what's going on here?

New video dropped yesterday seems to further discredit the "peacekeeper" account. There seems to be no verbal confrontation whatsoever. Just a guy who sees a man carrying a rifle (legally) - and starts shooting.

www.fox13now.com

Another video shows Salt Lake City protest shooting suspect meeting peacekeeper

New video of the shooting at Saturday’s "No Kings" march shows the suspect running behind a fence and emerging in front of the people tasked with safeguarding protesters.
www.fox13now.com www.fox13now.com
 
Taylor said:
The Salt Lake City DA has until today to charge Gamboa or release him.
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Just as a technical correction: the DA stated they would decide today if they charge him, release him or continue to hold him.
 
ClaraD said:
Doesn’t matter. He was seen as a threat and as a probable mass shooter fafo
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You're leaving out key wording, context, and judgement. All the things listed would prove or disprove he was a threat.

You however cling to the (likely) wrong interpretations, with your binary thinking along the lines of 'my side good', 'all others bad'
 
Cope said:
You're leaving out key wording, context, and judgement. All the things listed would prove or disprove he was a threat.

You however cling to the (likely) wrong interpretations, with your binary thinking along the lines of 'my side good', 'all others bad'
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Prove the person who shot him didn’t think he was a threat
 
Metric Mouse said:
Just as a technical correction: the DA stated they would decide today if they charge him, release him or continue to hold him.
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Yes, it seems they can file for another hold. That info was missing in the article I read.
 
ClaraD said:
Prove the person who shot him didn’t think he was a threat
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Like the video that showed the rifle pointing downward. The peacekeepers stated it was pointed at the crowd. Not to mention the shots were fired before he started running.
 
ClaraD said:
Prove the person who shot him didn’t think he was a threat
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Merely thinking someone is a threat is not enough. If it were, nobody would ever get convicted of any use of force as they'd just say they thought it was reasonable. We've been over this already. The thought and subsequent action have to be reasonable for the self-defense/defense of others defense to stand. If the DA charges him, the jury will get to watch the video and decide if his actions in shooting the man were a response to a reasonable belief.

If the shooter did indeed lie about the facts of the case, that can be used as evidence that even he thought it was a bad shoot and needed to embellish/lie about it to make it look better. Reminds me of bicep man from the Rittenhouse case who lied about his actions for the same reason, got exposed at trial, and ended up looking like an idiot.
 
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ClaraD said:
Before. He was running they told him stop he didn’t stop and he opened fire. There was a perceived threat
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He wasn't running. We know that from video.
 
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