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then Obama should be charged with hate crimes for calling the irish drunks. :roll:
And this argument is asinine. If the colors were reversed, this libertarian would say the same thing. please.
Hate crimes require an underlying crime in order to be a hate crime. Since calling people names is not a crime, calling Irish "drunks" is not a hate crime.
If the races were reversed, the law would still consider it a hate crime.
It's already a crime, why do you need additional laws?
For the same reason we have laws that single out terrorism, or do you oppose those too?
Terrorism has specific political goals, it is a war crime. Murdering your boyfriend in a jealous rage and calling him a jew while you do it is not in need of a special law for a "hate crime"...
Hate cries have specific political goals, they are crime. Murdering your boyfriend in a jealous rage and calling him a jew while you do it requires a special law for a "hate crime".
really? what political goals is that, does your boyfriend that you just killed while screaming jew, mean that the dood really hates jews?
really? you need to punish the guy extra special for calling his boyfriend a jew?
The political goals is to reduce bigotry. And under the hate crimes law, no one is punished for calling someone a name
Murdering your boyfriend in a jealous rage and calling him a jew while you do it requires a special law for a "hate crime".
You just called it a hate crime, dood murders his boyfriend calling him a jew...
did you not just say this:
That was you wasn't it, like a post a go, no?
Yes, I did. There was nothing inaccurate in anything I said in those quotes
Maybe you didn't notice it, but there's a difference between calling someone a name, and calling someone a name while killing them
So to you, this is a hate crime, Ok then, even if the murdere himself is jewish?
Under the law, this is a hate crime (if the alleged facts are true)
What if the murder himself was Jewish?
really? what political goals is that, does your boyfriend that you just killed while screaming jew, mean that the dood really hates jews?
really? you need to punish the guy extra special for calling his boyfriend a jew?
Hate crime.
I think you're being purposefully obtuse here. If a person is killed in a jealous rage, then by definition cannot be a hate crime. They were killed because of jealousy, not because they're Jewish. If the act was committed solely because the person was Jewish, then you have a hate crime.
/facepalm
What if the murder victim was calling the killer a jew the whole time, should the killer get off easier?
If there is bias against a "protected class" involved in the commission of the crime, it is a hate crime, and the perp is liable for additional penalties. Hate crime laws punish crimes if they were motivated by bias. The motivation can be proven by citing the perps verbal expressions of bias
... the motivation is already been established. Jealousy. Simply called out a negative name doesn't make the crime worse.
If there are not concrete reason for the crime, and all we have to go on is the perps verbal expression of bias, you can assume it was because of the person belonged to the group that perp is bias against was the sole reason.
*IF* the motive is jealousy, then it's not a hate crime.
Wasn't that in the example? Jealous rage?
It was claimed. But there was no evidence presented that it was a jealous rage.
OMFG....
/facepalm.....
Only you would require evidence in a hypothetical scenario created with the statement of fact that the incident's motive was a jealous rage.There was evidence? Where?
Only you would require evidence in a hypothetical scenario created with the statement of fact that the incident's motive was a jealous rage.
You are pathetically grasping at straws now.
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