I warned about all of this RW violence YEARS AGO - on Democratic Underground and here

Back in 2012 I "ranted" about the violence of the police and the right wing, from cops beating and arresting Occupy protesters to Tea Partiers punching people, bringing firearms to brandish in public, bullying liberals and even incidents of chasing them out of parks all the way up on their own home driveways. I got in trouble for merely saying that Democrats needed to learn how to defend themselves from the ongoing and coming waves of violence that were coming their way.

Somehow, talking about liberals getting armed was evil, but the growth of right wing armed militias screaming about armed rebellion was somehow okay.

Since then?

Police have escalated to killing legions of unarmed black people. And almost always get away with it. (In comparison: cops in Japan and Britain literally NEVER kill unarmed people, and they're doing just fine.)
Black Americans shot dead by police are twice as likely to be unarmed as white counterparts | The Independent
https://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab...t-two-years-without-fatally-shooting-someone/

In contrast, white people point guns at cops all the time and aren't killed
https://blavity.com/11-times-police-successfully-disarmed-white-people-without-killing-anyone/
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-it-away-sheriff-says/?utm_term=.506b3f054bd4
White Man in California Shoots at Cops With Gun, Gets Shot With Beanbags and Arrested | Complex
http://www.cincinnati.com/story/new...two-fake-guns-two-different-results/80758152/

Including two white people who walked into a police station, ARMED, and were arrested but didn't die.
http://www.freep.com/story/news/loc...6/dearborn-police-station-gun-rifle/97544076/

Right wing militias have utterly exploded in number and their militancy has gone all but unchecked.
https://www.splcenter.org/news/2016...-militia-groups-grew-more-one-third-last-year
http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/265062-militia-movement-growing-at-rapid-rate

Cliven Bundy and his rebel army pointed actual sniper rifles at FBI agents in the intent to gun them down over land that he refused to pay his grazing fees on. They even talked about using women as human shields. Cliven Bundy also talked about how slavery was better for blacks than welfare. Then his army started harassing drivers coming through on public roads.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/jjmacn...e-they-now-the-bundy-supporters/#7e7babcc2b3e
http://www.theblaze.com/news/2014/0...-up-at-the-front-during-bundy-ranch-standoff/
https://www.forbes.com/sites/jjmacn...he-cliven-bundy-standoff-part-2/#2b0ca5bf4eb7

Bundy's relatives and buddies went and occupied Federal buildings in Oregon, and were acquitted for this:
http://www.oregonlive.com/oregon-standoff/2016/10/oregon_standoff_defendants_fou.html

Then came Trump. Trump supporters attacked peaceful opponents at their rallies, even going so far as to sucker punch one guy and shove around a black woman. Even the ultra right wing Red State website pointed out the fact that Trump supporters started this cycle of political violence:
redstate.com/leon_h_wolf/2016/06/06/trump-supporters-pepper-spray-non-violent-protesters-video/

Donald Trump endorsed violence against nonviolent people for speaking out against him at his rallies (so much for free speech):
https://www.commondreams.org/news/2...rly-killed-after-trump-says-take-him-out-reno
http://www.idahostatesman.com/news/politics-government/article147677454.html

Trump has a history of doing this:
http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-trump-protester-violence-20160311-story.html

Donald Trump admits his supporters are violent and crazy - this source again being the far right Red State website, not a "biased" liberal snowflake rag:
http://www.redstate.com/sweetie15/2016/12/17/trump-says-knows-supporters-vicious-nasty/

Since the Trump election:

Republican Congressmen defend white supremacist terrorism, saying we "cannot prevent it" and it's somehow "different" from Islamist terrorism:
http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/07/politics/sean-duffy-white-terrorism-cnntv/
To date no Conservative pundit or Congressman (or woman) has publicly condemned white supremacist terrorism in America. All they've done is make excuses.

And pro-Trump political violence is still ongoing:
https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch...ed-planning-violence-shooting-uw-milo-protest

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People of color are being slaughtered from coast to coast by white supremacists. Note: Only ONE of these incidents happened before the 2016 election!
White murder suspect went to NYC to attack blacks, police say | Fox News
White veteran charged with murder of black man as hate crime - CBS News
http://www.wweek.com/uncategorized/...top-anti-muslim-bullying-of-women-passengers/
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...before-shooting-2-men-from-india-killing-one/
Dylann Roof pleads guilty to state charges in church massacre - CNN.com

Right wingers are nakedly calling for the slaughter of Muslims:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/feb/23/north-carolina-islamophobia-muslims-threats

And gays, too
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...or-introduced-just-calling-gays-EXECUTED.html (note: right wing link, not evil liberal "snowflake" media)
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...-calls-for-killing-gays-to-end-aids/19929973/
http://www.fox4news.com/news/162636585-story (oh lookie here, another non snowflake liberal media source!)

And then there's the white supremacist terrorist attacks that have been thwarted (8 out of 10 being in America):
https://news.vice.com/story/10-plot...e-the-white-house-left-off-its-terrorism-list

In Montana, GOP Republican Congressional candidate Greg Gianforte body slammed a reporter, Ben Jacobs, in an unprovoked attack that even reporters for the right wing Fox News witnessed.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...s-gop-house-candidate-body-slam-reporter.html

In support of Gianforte's violence, his supporters raised $100,000 immediately for him after his assault on that reporter:
https://pjmedia.com/trending/2017/0...ised-100k-after-candidate-assaulted-reporter/

Right Wingers all over the place are celebrating Gianforte's violence and some are even calling for a more violent form of "Christianity":
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AvhfPe1RVcA
http://www.rightwingwatch.org/post/...tes-assault-on-girly-man-reporter-ben-jacobs/
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/dispat...-defends-gianfortes-violent-assault-reporter/
https://www.mediamatters.org/resear...a-candidate-after-he-assaults-reporter/216661
https://thedailybanter.com/2017/05/...-assault-ben-jacobs-defense-twitter-bullying/

And of course the Right blames the liberals for unprovoked violence against reporters
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/dana-loe...-are-to-blame-for-violence-against-reporters/

Of course, Conservatives have been calling for violence against non-Conservative media reporters for a long time
http://www.politicususa.com/2016/11...s-t-shirt-proposing-lynching-journalists.html

And let's not forget that Trump tacitly endorses sexual assault of women:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o21fXqguD7U

And women who support him SPECIFICALLY back him on this:
https://www.dailydot.com/irl/trump-supporters-grab-consent/
http://www.highsnobiety.com/2016/11/10/azealia-banks-donald-trump/
http://www.politicalgarbagechute.com/tomi-lahren-trump-grab/

I warned people that this was coming four years ago. All I said was liberals need to stand up and take a defensive stance against exactly THIS. Now a major death wave of Conservative terrorism is upon us, with far worse now being openly advocated by the far right.

We have Neo Nazi and Confederate flags flying with militia groups like Oath Keepers and III% defending them.

And there's far worse nesting and infesting in America's rural areas, ready to launch an armed rebellion if things don't go their way:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...litia-3-per-cent-security-force-a7393556.html
http://www.thenewcivilrightsmovemen...ged_election_call_for_clinton_s_assassination
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So, in light of this veritable army of documented facts:

Is SELF DEFENSE still only wrong or deplorable or insane when Democrats prepare for it, is white supremacist terrorism and murders STILL something that Conservatives are going to ignore or even cheer?

Or I guess we can still just keep getting killed and bullied. But remember - this violence is actually what is empowering the Right. America always, at large, supports bullies when they win. America always turns on bullies when their violence gets turned back. That's why Americans still make jokes about kids getting their lunch forcibly taken from them - and why at the same time they then think it's great when the bully gets floored.

Self defense is not a crime. Unprovoked aggression is. The Right is now in a stage of mass, unprovoked aggression, terrorism and random senseless murders. The police are completely walking away from this from a prevention standpoint.

What do we do? Die, get the hell beaten out of us, or stand up for ourselves?

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Zalatix said:

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So, in light of this veritable army of documented facts:

Is SELF DEFENSE still only wrong or deplorable or insane when Democrats prepare for it, is white supremacist terrorism and murders STILL something that Conservatives are going to ignore or even cheer?

Or I guess we can still just keep getting killed and bullied. But remember - this violence is actually what is empowering the Right. America always, at large, supports bullies when they win. America always turns on bullies when their violence gets turned back. That's why Americans still make jokes about kids getting their lunch forcibly taken from them - and why at the same time they then think it's great when the bully gets floored.

Self defense is not a crime. Unprovoked aggression is. The Right is now in a stage of mass, unprovoked aggression, terrorism and random senseless murders. The police are completely walking away from this from a prevention standpoint.

What do we do? Die, get the hell beaten out of us, or stand up for ourselves?

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Most of the violence is coming from the left.

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Jack Fabulous said:

Most of the violence is coming from the left.

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No, it's coming from the right. No, the left. No, the right. No, it must be the left. Or the right.

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You are overblowing it.

Clearly, you are looking for the negative.

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Jack Fabulous said:

Most of the violence is coming from the left.

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Untrue, and you have nothing to back this up with.

And please name the last left leaning US President who has said their supporters should beat the crap out of protesters. Trump has been caught on video doing exactly this.

The left's got nothing in America to match the likes of Dylan Roof or Timothy McVeigh. Except Osama Bin Laden - oh wait, his Islamist religion/ideology is entirely Right Wing in nature.

Basically: you have no citations to back up what you write. You just posted an empty one-liner, which is what Conservatives tend to do.

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DA60 said:

You are overblowing it.

Clearly, you are looking for the negative.

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If my sourced facts are true then you are totally wrong here. Are they wrong? C'mon, tell us, are those links pointing to erroneous information or not? Please show the errors. If you can't, then I'm not overblowing anything.

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Jack Fabulous said:

Most of the violence is coming from the left.

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My immediate thought as well. Just have to consider the riots that erupted at Berzerkley, for example, as well as many others.

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eohrnberger said:

My immediate thought as well. Just have to consider the riots that erupted at Berzerkley, for example, as well as many others.

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And how many people got their throats slashed or churches shot up by those "Berzerkley" riots?

How many leftists have gunned down Indian engineers screaming "get out of my country"?

How many leftists have planned RADIATION ATTACKS on people?
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...r-plot-arrest-radiation-device-x-ray/2438599/

Come on, Conservatives, provide sources for your counter-arguments. You're flat out denying every sourced fact that I posted above. Is this a debate site or a place where people just sit around ignoring facts and spouting un-sourced garbage?

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This IS about in keeping with most Democratic Underground fare.

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Harshaw said:

This IS about in keeping with most Democratic Underground fare.

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If by DU flare you mean posting a flood of factual citations to support my case while you Conservatives back up your counter arguments with nothing whatsoever.........

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Zalatix said:

Untrue, and you have nothing to back this up with.

And please name the last left leaning US President who has said their supporters should beat the crap out of protesters. Trump has been caught on video doing exactly this.

The left's got nothing in America to match the likes of Dylan Roof or Timothy McVeigh. Except Osama Bin Laden - oh wait, his Islamist religion/ideology is entirely Right Wing in nature.

Basically: you have no citations to back up what you write. You just posted an empty one-liner, which is what Conservatives tend to do.

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“If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun.”

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Barack Obama

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Zalatix said:

If by DU flare you mean posting a flood of factual citations to support my case while you Conservatives back up your counter arguments with nothing whatsoever.........

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That could not possibly describe DU fare, as conservatives are explicitly banned on sight there. That's right in their rules.

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Zalatix said:

And how many people got their throats slashed or churches shot up by those "Berzerkley" riots?

How many leftists have gunned down Indian engineers screaming "get out of my country"?

How many leftists have planned RADIATION ATTACKS on people?
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...r-plot-arrest-radiation-device-x-ray/2438599/

Come on, Conservatives, provide sources for your counter-arguments. You're flat out denying every sourced fact that I posted above. Is this a debate site or a place where people just sit around ignoring facts and spouting un-sourced garbage?

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Excuses, try saying this (it's hard, I know) IT is WRONG no matter what side it comes from. (note, saying this requires removing the partisan blinders)

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Berkeley: Professor used bike lock in beatings, police say

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Harshaw said:

That could not possibly describe DU fare, as conservatives are explicitly banned on sight there. That's right in their rules.

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So how is this DU NOT a liberal / progressive echo chamber?
Their positions and their belief in their positions are so strong that neither can withstand questioning by someone with a different point of view? :lamo
That's actually very telling of both DU, the people are allowed there, and the people who are leading that.

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Μολὼν λαβέ;1067248322 said:

Barack Obama

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Yes, but he said that to who again? Oh yeah, he was talking metaphorically.

Trump was talking LITERALLY.

Slingshot Bob said:

Excuses, try saying this (it's hard, I know) IT is WRONG no matter what side it comes from. (note, saying this requires removing the partisan blinders)

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Once again, which is worse, rioters, or gunning down a church full of people?
Which is worse, rioters, or slashing people's throats?

My point is not challenging whether it's wrong for both sides - that is true. My point is that one side is punching Nazis at worst, while the other side is murdering people in broad daylight!

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Mycroft said:

Berkeley: Professor used bike lock in beatings, police say

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Indeed. Violence by the left. Not only against inanimate objects, such as smashed store windows and doors, fires set, but also against others who don't hold the same positions as their (comment in my previous post applies).

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eohrnberger said:

So how is this DU NOT a liberal / progressive echo chamber?
Their positions and their belief in their positions are so strong that neither can withstand questioning by someone with a different point of view? :lamo
That's actually very telling of both DU, the people are allowed there, and the people who are leading that.

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I guess you never heard of the far-right Free Republic? Try posting liberal stuff there.
OH WAIT THAT'S OKAY BECAUSE REASONS, amiright?

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Zalatix said:

Yes, but he said that to who again? Oh yeah, he was talking metaphorically.

Trump was talking LITERALLY.


Once again, which is worse, rioters, or gunning down a church full of people?
Which is worse, rioters, or slashing people's throats?

My point is not challenging whether it's wrong for both sides - that is true. My point is that one side is punching Nazis at worst, while the other side is murdering people in broad daylight!

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Hyperbole much? Seems the liberal professor with the bike lock was attempting murder.

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Slingshot Bob said:

Excuses, try saying this (it's hard, I know) IT is WRONG no matter what side it comes from. (note, saying this requires removing the partisan blinders)

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if he posts on DU then well that is not possible. he is a hyperpartisan and can simply be dismissed as such.

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Zalatix said:

I guess you never heard of the far-right Free Republic? Try posting liberal stuff there.
OH WAIT THAT'S OKAY BECAUSE REASONS, amiright?

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I am no supporter of ideologically based isolationism and tribalism. Both would apply to both groups.

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Mycroft said:

Berkeley: Professor used bike lock in beatings, police say

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A liberal beating someone with a bike lock, a Conservative gunning down black people in a church, a Conservative gunning down two Indian engineers screaming "get out of my country", a Conservative slashing people's throats

WHATS THE DIFFERENCE!!!

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eohrnberger said:

Hyperbole much?

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it is going to get worse trust me.