I Support Nazis and the white nationalists

Same as the "I support the ANTIFA" thread.


My vote is obviously I do not.


Please vote and explain your position.

I wouldn't touch that with a ten foot pole. White nationalists can include people who are not nazis, hatemongers, or overt racists. Too many definitions of white nationalists for your poll to be accurate.

The Resister said:

I wouldn't touch that with a ten foot pole. White nationalists can include people who are not nazis, hatemongers, or overt racists. Too many definitions of white nationalists for your poll to be accurate.

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At the very least, we can all agree that white nationalists are authoritarians who follow a collectivist mode of thought, correct?

The Resister said:

I wouldn't touch that with a ten foot pole. White nationalists can include people who are not nazis, hatemongers, or overt racists. Too many definitions of white nationalists for your poll to be accurate.

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I can not see how a white nationalist in this country is not a racist also

The Resister said:

I wouldn't touch that with a ten foot pole. White nationalists can include people who are not nazis, hatemongers, or overt racists. Too many definitions of white nationalists for your poll to be accurate.

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Are there any White Nationalist organizations that you do support? They may not all be Nazis but I am having a hard time wrapping my mind around what a non-racist White Nationalist would be.

Jesse Booth said:

At the very least, we can all agree that white nationalists are authoritarians who follow a collectivist mode of thought, correct?

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No. Did you see the bulk of the kids in the recent protest?

Skeptic Bob said:

Are there any White Nationalist organizations that you do support? They may not all be Nazis but I am having a hard time wrapping my mind around what a non-racist White Nationalist would be.

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Unfortunately I don't know a lot about recent white nationalists or organizations, but back in the days of Randy Weaver, there were separatists. I also used the term "overt racists." There are non-violent people that do not buy the antifa arguments and care about things you would consider "racist." I do know a guy in the Sons of Confederate Veterans (?) - if that's not the name it's something close to that. He and those he hangs with might qualify.

vegas giants said:

I can not see how a white nationalist in this country is not a racist also

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Do you think that, given the early history of our laws America was founded for the benefit of whites?

The Resister said:

Do you think that, given the early history of our laws America was founded for the benefit of whites?

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Yes. Those guys were racists too. But we have changed since then

vegas giants said:

Yes. Those guys were racists too. But we have changed since then

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“On every question of construction (of the Constitution) let us carry ourselves back to the time when the Constitution was adopted, recollect the spirit of the debates, and instead of trying what meaning may be squeezed out of the text, or invented against it, conform to the probable one in which it was passed.” Thomas Jefferson

As far as I know, no Amendment has been offered to make America a ONE WORLD / ONE RELIGION / NEW WORLD ORDER based upon antifa's utopian ideology. I guess I missed the memo.

So, basically, we must choose sides and if you stand by the founding fathers, then you are a racist. We cleared that up pretty easily.

The Resister said:

“On every question of construction (of the Constitution) let us carry ourselves back to the time when the Constitution was adopted, recollect the spirit of the debates, and instead of trying what meaning may be squeezed out of the text, or invented against it, conform to the probable one in which it was passed.” Thomas Jefferson

As far as I know, no Amendment has been offered to make America a ONE WORLD / ONE RELIGION / NEW WORLD ORDER based upon antifa's utopian ideology. I guess I missed the memo.

So, basically, we must choose sides and if you stand by the founding fathers, then you are a racist. We cleared that up pretty easily.

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Well they were racist. No one denies that. They actually put racism INTO the constitution. Thankfully we fixed all that. Do you disagree?

vegas giants said:

Well they were racist. No one denies that. They actually put racism INTO the constitution. Thankfully we fixed all that. Do you disagree?

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I would stipulate to that provided you would acknowledge that America is not the only "racist" country according to your standard. China is 98 + percent Han Chinese. Barack Obama would never be president of China and Nancy Pelosi would never be elected in that country - not even to be dog catcher. Japan has no Jews, blacks, whites nor Muslims running their government. They claim that they are the only ones that are, in all respects, ONE:

"In a speech during a ceremony at the new Kyushu National Museum in Dazaifu, Fukuoka Prefecture, on Saturday, the sources said Aso described Japan as having “one nation, one civilization, one language, one culture and one race. There is no other nation (that has such characteristics).”

https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2...ays-japan-is-nation-of-one-race/#.WZs8LSiGO1s

The Israelis have laws against Arabs and Jews worshipping the same facilities and if an Arab leaves Israel, they have NO right to return. Yet we spend BILLIONS to create a homeland for the Jews. Since their "Jewishness" is based upon genetic factors, race would be one of them. So, you stipulate that those countries are the same in that regard, we can have a civil and productive conversation. Deal?

The Resister said:

I would stipulate to that provided you would acknowledge that America is not the only "racist" country according to your standard. China is 98 + percent Han Chinese. Barack Obama would never be president of China and Nancy Pelosi would never be elected in that country - not even to be dog catcher. Japan has no Jews, blacks, whites nor Muslims running their government. They claim that they are the only ones that are, in all respects, ONE:

"In a speech during a ceremony at the new Kyushu National Museum in Dazaifu, Fukuoka Prefecture, on Saturday, the sources said Aso described Japan as having “one nation, one civilization, one language, one culture and one race. There is no other nation (that has such characteristics).”

https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2...ays-japan-is-nation-of-one-race/#.WZs8LSiGO1s

The Israelis have laws against Arabs and Jews worshipping the same facilities and if an Arab leaves Israel, they have NO right to return. Yet we spend BILLIONS to create a homeland for the Jews. Since their "Jewishness" is based upon genetic factors, race would be one of them. So, you stipulate that those countries are the same in that regard, we can have a civil and productive conversation. Deal?

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Uh.....that's nice. we were talking about the US founding fathers. You admit they were racists....don't you?

The Resister said:

No. Did you see the bulk of the kids in the recent protest?

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What about them?

vegas giants said:

Uh.....that's nice. we were talking about the US founding fathers. You admit they were racists....don't you?

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Nope. I gave you a stipulation. You didn't like it, so you won't admit that other countries are racist; therefore, neither is America... using YOUR standard.

Jesse Booth said:

What about them?

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Either you saw them or you didn't. How hard is that question?

The Resister said:

Either you saw them or you didn't. How hard is that question?

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I did. What about them?

The Resister said:

Nope. I gave you a stipulation. You didn't like it, so you won't admit that other countries are racist; therefore, neither is America... using YOUR standard.

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Uh... .yes other countries are racist. Were our founding fathers racist?

The Resister said:

I would stipulate to that provided you would acknowledge that America is not the only "racist" country according to your standard. China is 98 + percent Han Chinese. Barack Obama would never be president of China and Nancy Pelosi would never be elected in that country - not even to be dog catcher. Japan has no Jews, blacks, whites nor Muslims running their government. They claim that they are the only ones that are, in all respects, ONE:

"In a speech during a ceremony at the new Kyushu National Museum in Dazaifu, Fukuoka Prefecture, on Saturday, the sources said Aso described Japan as having “one nation, one civilization, one language, one culture and one race. There is no other nation (that has such characteristics).”

https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2...ays-japan-is-nation-of-one-race/#.WZs8LSiGO1s

The Israelis have laws against Arabs and Jews worshipping the same facilities and if an Arab leaves Israel, they have NO right to return. Yet we spend BILLIONS to create a homeland for the Jews. Since their "Jewishness" is based upon genetic factors, race would be one of them. So, you stipulate that those countries are the same in that regard, we can have a civil and productive conversation. Deal?

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If other countries in the world were cannibals, is it OK that we are just a little LESS cannibalistic than them?

Jesse Booth said:

I did. What about them?

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Then, Dude, really? How many of those kids do you really think know what "authoritarians who follow a collectivist mode of thought" are?

The Resister said:

Then, Dude, really? How many of those kids do you really think know what "authoritarians who follow a collectivist mode of thought" are?

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Okay, I see the confusion. "We" was referring to this site as a whole. You, me, the people perusing this thread, but not random people off the street.

Are white nationalists not authoritarian and collective in nature?

ataraxia said:

If other countries in the world were cannibals, is it OK that we are just a little LESS cannibalistic than them?

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I don't know. Would it be okay? You tell me.

All I hear is how bad it is in America and how racist the white people are. Those who wail and complain willingly buy from stores that use slave labor. Of their own free will and volition, the same people squawking about racism buy products that are Made in Japan all day long. Those same companies claiming racism is so bad are the same people whose home is full of products are predominantly Made in China. Then the groups making lists of the racists in this country donate heavily to a country that is based upon exclusivity.

IF the left had a legitimate issue, then wrong would be wrong and they would vote with their pocketbooks. They would have boycotted those countries long ago. The blacks would never have used the numbers of any race involved in a particular sport, occupation, or position as a reference point determining whether those numbers were related to racial attitudes. Yet they do.

Racism is perfectly acceptable provided you are the race with the power to force the bulk of a society to agree with your position. If everybody was so all fired against racism, they would make sure no country espousing racism could flourish.

The issue today is about power and control. Racism is just a reality. Do you support nazis and white nationalists - as opposed to what? Do you support antifa types that hate whites and want to kill them? The fact that the only people willing to weigh in wanted to make veiled accusations (a purely defensive position) says they are afraid of an open, honest and civil discussion.

I don't support the idea that one race would want to hold another race down. I don't believe in denying to any man the unalienable Rights he was born with. But, when one culture makes a phony power play to accuse whites of racism in order to erase the history of white people and wage genocidal warfare, that is just as much a racist postulate as are segregated schools.

Jesse Booth said:

Okay, I see the confusion. "We" was referring to this site as a whole. You, me, the people perusing this thread, but not random people off the street.

Are white nationalists not authoritarian and collective in nature?

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Since you didn't understand the answer, it is NO. Most of the people you see in those protests don't even understand what you just said.

A couple of years ago, a lot of those people associated with civilian militias espousing God, the flag (the American one), the Constitution and apple pie. Now they have done a 180 degree turn, following a dark haired Pillsbury Dough Boy and a spoiled rich kid that the left hates because he is the white version of their community organizer. Most white nationalists are kids that probably came from broken homes, work at dead end jobs, don't have a clue... and like the left are looking for someone to blame.

You can be nationalistic without being racist. Then there is the term "nationalism" which the United States and most its citizens of every color and ethnicity are guilty of, which can be used at times to denote something different from "patriotism."

The modern "nation-state" did not always exist. It did not exist during the early European conquests and colonization of the Americas, Asia, Africa, the Polynesian Islands. But it was beginning its period of conception around that time.

"State" is not necessarily the same thing as "nation." Mostly we use the terms interchangeably today but more technically they denoted or connoted different conceptions. The "state" is the political apparatus like the 3 branches of the US Federal Government. The "nation" is actually the people.

In the Afrocentric social sciences the term "nation" is used where most of us use the term "ethnicity." To me this is more a matter of preference and the Afrocentric academicians are not wrong for using the word "nation" instead.

But take for example the traditional Catholic view of Catholicism versus Judaism. By following Jesus, Catholicism traditionally has claim, the Christian is the true member of a nation that directly stems from the ancient nation (people) of Israel, and that Jews are Jews but by rejecting Jesus are no longer a part of that nation connected to ancient Israel.

I bring this up because "nation" can be conceptualized--as it is in the traditional Catholic case--as multi-racial, multi-ethnic. On the other hand, "nation" can be conceptualized specifically as the way one does "ethnicity." In this case... Catholicism is not a nation and nor are American citizens, rather, they are both organizations made up of many nations (ethnicities).






So, this brings us to the term "white nationalist." Here we must bear in mind that "race" and "ethnicity" are not one and the same concept. Take... the Puerto Ricans (whether called a "nation" or an "ethnicity")... they are a single "nationality" or "nation" or "ethnicity" but they are multi-racial. Kind of like the Jews are. Both come in the racial categorizations of white, brown, and black. Of course, white nationalist deny Jews are "white."

The term "white nationalist" is used to connote a racially (not ethnically) separatist view. Generally because it places high value on a concept called "biological determinism" or its twin or sibling "genetic determinism." And "racism" is: the belief in the superiority of one race over another race. So, by the rhetoric of white nationalists it is pretty clear they want racial separatism because they believe white people are--through biological, genetic determinism--superior in various behavioral and physical traits to blacks, mixed-race people, Jews and so on.

The question Americans have never really figured out an answer to--although most conservatives probably have formulated a more clear idea than most liberals--is exactly what is an "American nationality"? Is it Satanism equal to Christianity, Judasim, and Islam? Is it gay marriage? Is it cowboys? Is it Chicago gangsters? Is it old money WASPs in Connecticut? Is it Islamist running a country? Is it promoting (not even tolerating) women walking around in full burkas or just the hijab?

Because the term "we are Americans" becomes relatively meaningless if there is no moral and cultural coherency. You might as well be like warring tribes in Iraq that need armed police and strong armed government to keep hating or rival factions from killing each other. But maybe that is the purpose of Identity Politics... I don't know.