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Laila

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Hmm ... :|
Drop them amongst Arabs and let them see how it feels like :S
 
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Laila said:
Hmm ... :|
Drop them amongst Arabs and let them see how it feels like :S
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The law of Moses is an outdated concept.

What these children did is disturbing and they need to serve jail time for it.

Since it occurred in the middle east I am certain there will be bombings and honor killings in retaliation.
 
Laila said:
Hmm ... :|
Drop them amongst Arabs and let them see how it feels like :S
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I see no reason for this sort of thread except to cast the Jews of Jerusalem in a negative light.

Do you really want to play this game Laila?

Wasn't it just last year that an Arab in Jerusalem shot a number of Jewish school students to death inside their school?

Wasn't it last summer that an Arab in Jerusalem hijacked a construction bulldozer and killed Jewish drivers and pedestrians?

I can post a new story like these every day.

Do you really want to play this game Laila? Let me know girl.
 
So, how about we establish this. There are idiot extremists and bigots on each side of the aisle. And you want to know what it proves? Just that.
 
Tashah said:
I see no reason for this sort of thread except to cast the Jews of Jerusalem in a negative light.
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you should say that too, when other members posts similar threads about muslims



No need for that, SgtRock already does it
 
Laila said:
Hmm ... :|
Drop them amongst Arabs and let them see how it feels like :S
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That's sad. I can't say I am surprised considering how the Arabs continually threaten the Jews daily but it's still sad to see that the next generations on both sides are taking to the violence with alarming alacrity.
 

I also can do this negative stuff. Every day.
 
Tashah said:
I also can do this negative stuff. Every day.
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I can be negative too. 6 out of the 8 incidents you listed above have occured around illegal colonies in West Bank :2wave:
 
bub said:
I can be negative too. 6 out of the 8 incidents you listed above have occured around illegal colonies in West Bank :2wave:
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So then. According to bub is is okay to attack civilians. Let's remember that.
 
Tashah said:
So then. According to bub is is okay to attack civilians. Let's remember that.
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Oh great, and I guess according to you it's OK to attack young palestinians???
 
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bub said:
Oh great, and I guess according to you it's OK to attack young palestinians???
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The point I was making to Laila - before you derailed - is that the Middle East forum can have some very good threads with very good debate.

But bash threads like this one do nothing at all to foster good debate. All these sort of threads do is foster acrimony. No positive function whatsoever. See how the thread is already turning ugly? Just another useless waste of time and bandwidth.
 
Even before you entered the thread, bub, it has been established that what both sides do around this is wrong. How do you think you are coming across with what you are posting? One guess.
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
Even before you entered the thread, bub, it has been established that what both sides do around this is wrong. How do you think you are coming across with what you are posting? One guess.
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double standard, exactly like Tashah:

- Tashah says that this thread is an attempt to demonize Israel and does not say that what these people did was wrong -> you do not react

- I answer that many posters do the same about Muslims, yet she never say that they are "demonizing Muslims" -> you accuse me because in this post I have not condemned the Palestinians attacks (while no later than yesterday I started a thread condemning them)


And where is your criticism when she starts accusing me of supporting terrorists/criminals???
 
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Tashah said:
The point I was making to Laila - before you derailed - is that the Middle East forum can have some very good threads with very good debate.
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Oh really? The only things you did here was
- accusing her because she is bashing Israeli
- bashing Palestinians

But bash threads like this one do nothing at all to foster good debate. All these sort of threads do is foster acrimony. No positive function whatsoever.
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That's why you answered by bashing the other side I guess

See how the thread is already turning ugly? Just another useless waste of time and bandwidth
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Then we agree, but instead of bashing Palestinians, you could simply have acknowledged that what these boys did was wrong AND THEN explaining that they do not represent the majority in Israel
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
So, how about we establish this. There are idiot extremists and bigots on each side of the aisle. And you want to know what it proves? Just that.
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To be really fair and equal about this - any such thread should be equally stepped on. Not just Laila's. Bub does have a very strong point that threads pointing out arab/palestinian bigotry and extremism tend not to be derailed.

I remember arguing that Sgt Rock should be allowed to continue to post threads about honour killings of arab women - and I would argue that Laila and anyone else should then equally be allowed to post threads about acts such as those in Laila's OP.

If I recall, Tashah also argued in defence of Sgt Rock when another poster asked why such threads continued to be posted. I'm off soon so I don't have time to find a link - but it was breaking news.
 

Don't even try with the double standard bs, on me, bub. I'm usually one of the first ones out of the box to go after SgtRock's foolish threads associating everything evil with Islam. bhkad's too. And I was the one who caused TOT's meltdown when I went after him about wanting to kill all US Muslims if the US was attacked by an Islamic terrorist group. Heck, I went after the Face of Jacob. Peddle your bs comments about double standards to someone who it applies to...and that one ain't me.

You need to stop looking at others and check your own house. You are about as unbiased and even handed towards Israel as posters like Jenin. You just package your crap in prettier packages.
 

I have gone after SgtRock, bhkad, TOT when he was here (I caused his meltdown) and plenty of others from both sides. I nail them, pretty much equally.
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
You need to stop looking at others and check your own house. You are about as unbiased and even handed towards Israel as posters like Jenin. You just package your crap in prettier packages.
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I couldn't have said it better myself Captain. It's no longer a secret.
 
Anytime and anyplace you want to debate honor-killings with me... just say so.

What I object to about Laila's thread, is that it is not an international story of any import whatsoever. It's a "police blotter" story that has no higher purpose other than to bash.

If she wants to do it. Fine. I will counter. But this is the type of crap that ruins this ME forum.
 
To be fair the amount of similar threads about Muslims is very large. It seems hypocritical to denounce one sort of thread and not the other.
 
Tashah said:
So then. According to bub is is okay to attack civilians. Let's remember that.
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Are adult settlers in the Westbank civilians? How do you define civilians in this area? They are certainly engaged in occupying and settling on someone else's land, is there not a degree of "at your own risk" to be applied to them?

On the one hand one can say they are civilians because they aren't direct combatants but on the other hand this seems to open up a Pandora's box.

Ignoring the fact that bombing civilians is normal in most major wars, would it then be okay to try and hold an area by filling it with "civilians" and then claiming the enemy can't attack it?

This area creates a lot of questions which I'm not sure I can answer off the top of my head. My gut tells me that if a foreign power occupied Britain and installed its citizens on my or my family's land I would not consider them total innocents in general. Obviously it becomes very complex due to all sorts of factors including the fact children may be with some. I'd don't believe in attacking civilians at all and I think I'd err on the side of caution in such a situation but I'd have trouble considering a lot of them total innocents as I said.
 
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Wessexman said:
To be fair the amount of similar threads about Muslims is very large. It seems hypocritical to denounce one sort of thread and not the other.
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You've got a mouth. Right? Then say something when a particular thread bothers you and why it does.
 
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