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I hope the world will remember the great leadership we have shown since WWII.

WilHaftaWaite said:
Hilary got where she went by riding Bills coattails, much like GW did his dad's. She didn't even carry Arkansas in 2016 election. trump beat her by 300,000 votes
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Hillary got more than 3 million more votes than Trump in 2016. Trump won because Bernie supporters were butthurt that Sanders lost every primary vote and voted for Trump in anger.
 


not real smart are you?

If I wanted trump for president, I'd have voted for him.

He, Hillary, Biden, Harris have no reason to be withing 500 miles of DC, IMO
 
WilHaftaWaite said:
Hilary got where she went by riding Bills coattails, much like GW did his dad's. She didn't even carry Arkansas in 2016 election. trump beat her by 300,000 votes
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yes------everyone gets help from someone, etc, etc The fact that people voted for Trump, imo, does not compliment the American voter..........HRC was one of the most qualified people to ever run, at least by historical standards. I truly believe had she been male, she would have won, easily. I remember so much of the case against her was gender, and the many gender-based slurs.......
 
iguanaman said:
Hillary got more than 3 million more votes than Trump in 2016. Trump won because Bernie supporters were butthurt that Sanders lost every primary and voted for Trump in anger.
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what decides the presidency?

Popular, or electoral vote?
 
WilHaftaWaite said:


not real smart are you?

If I wanted trump for president, I'd have voted for him.

He, Hillary, Biden, Harris have no reason to be withing 500 miles of DC, IMO
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I told you. Trump was elected by those that refused to vote for their country. You were one of many millions. Now we will all suffer the consequences of your failure. I hope you suffer the most.

‘What a circus’: eligible US voters on why they didn’t vote in the 2024 presidential election​

Nearly 90 million Americans didn’t vote – which is more than the number of people who voted for Trump or Harris

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/dec/13/why-eligible-voters-did-not-vote
 
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tshade said:
.HRC was one of the most qualified people to ever run, at least by historical standards.
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https://giphy.com/huUFRCXTCkcITGmjBn
 
iguanaman said:
I told you. Trump was elected by those that refused to vote for their country. You were one of many millions. Now we will all suffer the consequences of your failure.
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craig said:
If Trump had been elected instead of Biden, Zelensky would be dead and Putin would be in Kyiv executing Ukrainian patriot.
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Remember Obama’s “Russia Reset” after Putin invaded Georgia? And the “Iran nuclear deal,” where peace was supposed to break out between us and the world’s leading state sponsor of terrorism? They should have gotten a clue a long time ago: appeasing tyrants doesn’t work.

 
tshade said:
Guess what party was against the U.S. intervention in 2014???? Hint: not the Dems......
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What intervention? You mean Obama’s flashlights and helmets for Ukraine? Wet-noodle sanctions? No doubt those really made Putin take pause.
 
Remember Trump blaming Ukraine for the Russian invasion? Remember Trump voiding the Iran nuclear deal and empowering Iran's hardliners? Now he is just waiting for Iran to show they have a nuke. Remember Trump inviting the Taliban to Camp David? Trump empowers tyrants every chance he gets. He hates our allies and wants to make friends with our enemies.
 
tshade said:
We screwed up a good thing by electing an unfit person in Trump...........the world is disappointed, as it should be
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.... and the fact we did it twice shows the world that the American voters are fools that lack the discernment necessary to choose good leaders. If we screwed up once, and said 'never again", no harm, no foul -- we all make mistakes. To make the same mistake twice means we as a country have flawed judgement (or, in our case, an electoral system that lets the minority party win) and therefore should not be trusted.

iguanaman said:
Hillary got more than 3 million more votes than Trump in 2016. Trump won because Bernie supporters were butthurt that Sanders lost every primary vote and voted for Trump in anger.
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Not certain that is true .... there was a large contingent of Bernie voter that was anti-establishment, which in 2016 Trump also represented....
 
upsideguy said:
.... and the fact we did it twice shows the world that the American voters are fools that lack the discernment necessary to choose good leaders
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the only thing good about trump being elected in 2016, is it prevented Hillary from taking the office.in 2024, he prevented Harris from taking office.

faint praise, but at least that was good.
 
Guy who thinks South Korea should have statues honoring its military dictators talking about “appeasing tyrants” is hilarious.

Maybe the Georgians shouldn’t have tried brutally oppressing their minorities. Rolling in the tanks talking about how you “weren’t going to be taking prisoners” and then acting shocked and appalled when the other side not only beats you, but refuses to accept your continued demands for their annexation is utterly laughable.

The US itself is a “leading state sponsor of terrorism”.
 
Brilliant!
 
WilHaftaWaite said:
the only thing good about trump being elected in 2016, is it prevented Hillary from taking the office.in 2024, he prevented Harris from taking office.

faint praise, but at least that was good.
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And I suppose you know that...how exactly?
 
iguanaman said:
Remember Trump blaming Ukraine for the Russian invasion?
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Yeah. I blame Obama and his helmets, which he must have expected Ukrainians to throw at invading Russians.

iguanaman said:
Remember Trump voiding the Iran nuclear deal and empowering Iran's hardliners?
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Empowering Iran’s hardliners? Joe released billions of dollars to people supporting international terrorism. Even if that money is restricted to humanitarian goods, money is fungible. These Democrats are all morons.

iguanaman said:
Now he is just waiting for Iran to show they have a nuke. Remember Trump inviting the Taliban to Camp David? Trump empowers tyrants every chance he gets. He hates our allies and wants to make friends with our enemies.
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I’ve noticed a pattern, however. It’s always the respectable establishment types (the ones with the polished Ivy League degrees, post-graduate fellowships, and think tank pedigrees—people whose parents would have been horrified if they’d said they wanted to join the Marines) who manage to get us into these wars.
 
Tigerace117 said:
Guy who thinks South Korea should have statues honoring its military dictators talking about “appeasing tyrants” is hilarious.
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WilHaftaWaite said:
the only thing good about trump being elected in 2016, is it prevented Hillary from taking the office.in 2024, he prevented Harris from taking office.

faint praise, but at least that was good.
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Not good in any respect..... Each of those Democratic candidates were more intelligent, more morally and humanly centered and had vastly greater experience in government than the buffoon that was elected. I am not sure how you can observe this guy that is tearing 240 years of the American experiment apart, wrecking the American economy, vaporizing trillions of dollars of wealth, exploiting the weak, deflating American world influence while acting out as man child on his petty personal grievances... The man has ZERO redeeming qualities, even God thinks that given he is all things God detests.

Forgive me if I find it beyond idiotic that you would rather have this than four years of Clinton or Harris, each very capable people. I tend to like my politcians to have some degree of integrity, where has none. Also forgive my rant as I had grown rather fond of American democracy. Its hard to see it in the rear view mirror.
 
upsideguy said:
Each of those Democratic candidates were more intelligent, more morally and humanly centered
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NOt in my opinion
 
tshade said:
We screwed up a good thing by electing an unfit person in Trump...........the world is disappointed, as it should be
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Anyone can make a mistake once.
Making a HUGE mistake - TWICE - will be remembered for a long time.
 
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