- Joined
- May 6, 2020
- Messages
- 8,444
- Reaction score
- 1,488
- Location
- San Luis Obispo, CA
- Gender
- Male
- Political Leaning
- Slightly Conservative
In this case, they tested the use of hydroxychloroquine after exposure to the virus, but before incubation. It offered no benefit.
If you actually cared about the science, rather than the politics, you would let the studies be your guide
Tell us again how the researchers should have deliberately exposed the participants to a deadly virus. That's a good one. :lamo
:roll:
No, there is no such limitation that is arbitrarily convenient for your position. They are testing hydroxychloroquine in a variety of situations, with and without other medications.
In this case, they tested the use of hydroxychloroquine after exposure to the virus, but before incubation. It offered no benefit.
As more RCT studies like this are conducted and completed, we will have a better idea whether hydroxychloroquine offers any benefit, in any situation, alone or in any combination with other medications. And we already know the risks.
But for now, the evidence we have indicates that it does not offer a significant prophylactic benefit, certainly not given the risks for many potential patients.
If you actually cared about the science, rather than the politics, you would let the studies be your guide -- rather than attack any study because it draws a conclusion you don't like.
Lol tell us again how the researchers concluded that HCQ isn't effective as a preventative by using subjects who had already been exposed :lamo
And repeat that line one more time about the fact that patients in an experimental group cannot be given any form of a virus - lol you're clueless:lamo
But for now, the evidence we have indicates that it does not offer a significant prophylactic benefit, certainly not given the risks for many potential patients.
As I’ve said.... you literally have no idea what you’re talking about.
Hydroxychloroquine did not prevent healthy people exposed to covid-19 from getting the disease caused by the coronavirus, according to a study being published Wednesday in the New England Journal of Medicine. The study is the first randomized clinical trial that tested the antimalarial drug, touted by President Trump, as a preventive measure. It showed that hydroxychloroquine was no more effective than a placebo — in this case, a vitamin — in protecting people exposed to covid-19. “As we say in Tennessee, ‘That dog won’t hunt’ — it didn’t work,” said William Schaffner, professor of preventive medicine and infectious diseases at Vanderbilt University Medical Center. Schaffner, who was not involved in the trial, praised it as “rigorously done.”
The results were the latest development on a highly charged medical and political issue — the efficacy of hydroxychloroquine in combating covid-19. President Trump has repeatedly touted the drug as a “game changer” for covid-19, and recently said he took it for several days. But federal regulators have said it should be used only for hospitalized patients or in clinical trials because of possible side effects, including serious heart-rhythm issues.Researchers at the University of Minnesota Medical School launched the trial in mid-March. They enrolled more than 800 adults in the United States and Canada who were exposed to someone with covid-19 because of their jobs as health care workers or first responders, or because they lived with someone with the disease. The study was a randomized placebo-controlled trial, and was double-blinded, meaning neither the participants nor the researchers knew what the participants received. Such a study is considered the gold standard for clinical trials.
[cont].
https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/06/03/hydroxychloroquine-clinical-trial-results/
Yet more evidence that whether or not it is harmful, or how harmful, it is no preventative.
“It was a royal mess,” Chaccour says. “There was huge political polarisation about hydroxychlorioquine, politics became mixed in with policy... This should be about data, not opinions, and absolutely not about politics. The world had gone crazy.”
Yes, all those highly dangerous "risks" that are so serious Trump and his physician are trying to kill people lol...
Out of more than 400 people in the experimental group in this study that were given HCQ, No one had any serious side effects
Yet 40% had adverse effects..
As I'm sure you know, they didn't continue the treatment and follow the progression of the illness - they simply concluded that giving patients HCQ after exposure didn't prevent people in the experimental group from contracting the disease
The most frequent symptoms were cough (44.9% of the 107 participants with Covid-19), fever (34.6%), shortness of breath (18.7%), fatigue (49.5%), sore throat (40.2%), myalgia (37.4%), and anosmia (23.4%). Among participants who were symptomatic at day 14, the median symptom-severity score (on a scale from 0 to 10, with higher scores indicating greater severity) was 2.8 (interquartile range, 1.6 to 5.0) in those receiving hydroxychloroquine and 2.7 (interquartile range, 1.4 to 4.8) in those receiving placebo (P=0.34).
And as I'm sure you also know, no one has ever claimed that giving HCQ after exposure will prevent the person from becoming ill
After a large COVID-19 exposure event in an LTCH in Korea, PEP using hydroxychloroquine (HCQ) was administered to 211 individuals, including 189 patients and 22 careworkers, whose baseline polymerase chain reaction (PCR) tests for COVID-19 were negative. PEP was completed in 184 (97.4%) patients and 21 (95.5%) careworkers without serious adverse events. At the end of 14 days of quarantine, all follow-up PCR tests were negative. Based on our experience, further clinical studies are recommended for COVID-19 PEP.
Stop playing dumb
Correct, every study involving giving people HCQ early on has confirmed that the medication lessened the severity of the illness
That's a lie. From the study you won't read:
The most frequent symptoms were cough (44.9% of the 107 participants with Covid-19), fever (34.6%), shortness of breath (18.7%), fatigue (49.5%), sore throat (40.2%), myalgia (37.4%), and anosmia (23.4%). Among participants who were symptomatic at day 14, the median symptom-severity score (on a scale from 0 to 10, with higher scores indicating greater severity) was 2.8 (interquartile range, 1.6 to 5.0) in those receiving hydroxychloroquine and 2.7 (interquartile range, 1.4 to 4.8) in those receiving placebo (P=0.34).
I've highlighted this for you previously, so you know it's there.
That's another lie, or your ignorance is 100%. This early study released in April showed it was effective for just that, and any reasonable theory about how the drug works would assume it's effective as a PEP. After all, if it reduces symptoms in those infected, then if administered early enough, and is effective, then surely it can in many cases reduce symptoms to zero.
This has nothing to do with proving clinically that HCQ helps the patient recover more quickly and effectively - There is no documentation of when any of these patients, in either the control or experimental group, recovered from the illness
So you're moving the goal posts after being caught in a lie. NICE!!
Your previous claim: "they simply concluded that giving patients HCQ after exposure didn't prevent people in the experimental group from contracting the disease." That's a lie.
You have absolutely no clue what you're talking about
If medication is being used as a preventative, it needs to be in place, blocking the infection before it occurs - otherwise, it's not a preventative
Please provide a link to the study you're referring to
Jasper, lol you're going around in circles again :lamo
The only medically-sponsored claims about using HCQ early in treatment, after exposure, have involved mitigating the course of the illness - meaning, the study would have to document the time it took for patients to RECOVER from the illness, as well as the severity of the symptoms
Take it up with that study's authors and the people running a dozen or so other studies in testing HCQ as a PEP. If you don't know what that means, look it up. You won't look so stupid and uninformed.
I have provided that link to you directly twice, including at #87. Take it up with that study's authors
The left has spent the last month doing nothing but ridiculing Trump and his physician for being so reckless people could be killed from HCQ side effects
In this experimental group of 400+ people, NOT ONE PERSON HAD ANY SEVERE SIDE EFFECTS
LOL.
I have provided that link to you directly twice, including at #87. Take it up with that study's authors and the people running a dozen or so other studies in testing HCQ as a PEP. If you don't know what that means, look it up. You won't look so stupid and uninformed.
It seems to me that in the effort to disprove Trump, some of these studies involving chloroquine or hydroxychloroquine have been politicized. I'd take any results with a huge spoonful of salt. Such a shame, I expect better of the scientific community, do not let politics affect the objectivity of a study.
And I'm saying this as someone who doesn't even like Trump.
We use cookies and similar technologies for the following purposes:
Do you accept cookies and these technologies?
We use cookies and similar technologies for the following purposes:
Do you accept cookies and these technologies?