[W:#7426]How will Brexit go?***W:46]***

[Sherlock Holmes]

It’s great coming to this thread just to remind oneself why it’s such a good idea to be leaving an organisation full of people who loathe the U.K...cheers chaps! And don’t forget that more trucks come into the U.K. with EU goods than go out with U.K. goods so any hold ups work to our benefit...cheers.

The UK's done for Cyclops, sure "Brexit" seemed like a good idea several decades ago but it came far too late, you think the country's gonna return to the 1950s or 1960s or 1970s?

The damage to the culture is done and its irreparable, Mosque on every corner, calls to prayer blasting out all day long, Sharia law operating under the hood (disguised by the UK arbitration act), guns all over the place from Albania, drug gangs from Turkey making the Crays look like the Goodies.

You'd need to roll back the colonial past and undo the mass migration from the West Indies, India, Pakistan and so on, we should have had Enoch Powell as Prime Minister but never did, so Brexit simply isn't enough; no, the country is done for wake up, it's why I left.

If I want to "go back" I just watch stuff like this, pour yourself a pint and sit back:

 

[Sven Karma]

Just don’t bother linking to the Guardian mate...seriously it does not count as proof of anything. ...

says the guy who fell hook, line and sinker for Sidney Powell's claptrap

 

[Manc Skipper]

A million Britons live in or have retired to Spain. Now they are no longer EU members, the rules change. The reciprocal health insurance no longer applies.

"Remoaners" have been pointing such things out for four years now, but it was dismissed as fearmongering.

 

[joluoto]

A million Britons live in or have retired to Spain. Now they are no longer EU members, the rules change. The reciprocal health insurance no longer applies.

"Remoaners" have been pointing such things out for four years now, but it was dismissed as fearmongering.

Well first Covid restrictions need to go away.... because if there's no deal the UK would probably be considered an outside country and thus UK citizens wouldn't be able to enter EU at all for vacation purposes, though of course right now several EU countries even closes the borders for each other, so no travel anyways before Covid is over.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

Just don’t bother linking to the Guardian mate...seriously it does not count as proof of anything.

I see, so you complain when fantastical "election fraud" claims are not reported by the mainstream media yet at the very same time reject what is reported by the mainstream media because its the mainstream media?

I can understand now why you're a Trump supporter, like him logic has no meaning for you, like him you're confused by everything around you.

 

[PeteEU]

Well first Covid restrictions need to go away.... because if there's no deal the UK would probably be considered an outside country and thus UK citizens wouldn't be able to enter EU at all for vacation purposes, though of course right now several EU countries even closes the borders for each other, so no travel anyways before Covid is over.

Even with a no deal, Brits would be welcome as tourists to the EU. The only differences would be a need for a visa of some kind and medical insurance...and of course not allowed (on paper) to stay more than 90 days.

The biggest problem is in fact will Brits be able to fly to the EU since they still have not agreed on airline safety and similar... But since Ryan Air will start new routes from Newcastle to Spain, I suspect that thankfully it is only a matter of time for such an agreement... Hopefully.

 

[joluoto]

Even with a no deal, Brits would be welcome as tourists to the EU. The only differences would be a need for a visa of some kind and medical insurance...and of course not allowed (on paper) to stay more than 90 days.

The biggest problem is in fact will Brits be able to fly to the EU since they still have not agreed on airline safety and similar... But since Ryan Air will start new routes from Newcastle to Spain, I suspect that thankfully it is only a matter of time for such an agreement... Hopefully.

Of course they'd be welcome once Covid is over. With several EU countries right now closing the border for each other due to Covid, the Brits visiting the EU is a moot point.

 

[PeteEU]

Of course they'd be welcome once Covid is over. With several EU countries right now closing the border for each other due to Covid, the Brits visiting the EU is a moot point.

Well the borders are not really closed anymore. There is a "please dont travel unless absolutely needed" warning from most countries, but there is still travel. For example, I have a friend coming back from Denmark on the 11th of December. He is a resident here in Spain and has been in Denmark over the summer and stayed there due to Covid. Now it is too dark, wet/cold and frankly dangerous compared to here in Andalusia so he has decided to risk it and return to Spain. Plus he needs some medical care, which he can only get here.

 

[joluoto]

Well the borders are not really closed anymore. There is a "please dont travel unless absolutely needed" warning from most countries, but there is still travel. For example, I have a friend coming back from Denmark on the 11th of December. He is a resident here in Spain and has been in Denmark over the summer and stayed there due to Covid. Now it is too dark, wet/cold and frankly dangerous compared to here in Andalusia so he has decided to risk it and return to Spain. Plus he needs some medical care, which he can only get here.

In Finland our borders are closed to anyone that isn't a Finnish citizen or resident or work commuter from Sweden or Estonia.

 

[Sven Karma]

S'all good, officer, this vehicle is totally under control, hic!

Coronavirus vote: Why it feels like a government without a majority

The effects will be felt in the real world, but the Tory rebellion was a political moment too.

www.bbc.co.uk

One cabinet minister suggested there was "a lot of nervousness around the Brexit messaging about a possible deal [and] Covid is a good outlet", saying there was a "remarkable" similarity between the cast list of Covid sceptics and Eurosceptics.
...
There may, or may not, be a deal with the EU that Parliament has to approve in the next couple of weeks (at breakneck speed if things carry on at this rate with the negotiations) and it is likely at least some of those who voted against the government tonight were motivated, in part, to give No 10 a reminder they can't be taken for granted.

 

[joluoto]

S'all good, officer, this vehicle is totally under control, hic!

Coronavirus vote: Why it feels like a government without a majority

The effects will be felt in the real world, but the Tory rebellion was a political moment too.

www.bbc.co.uk

One cabinet minister suggested there was "a lot of nervousness around the Brexit messaging about a possible deal [and] Covid is a good outlet", saying there was a "remarkable" similarity between the cast list of Covid sceptics and Eurosceptics.
...
There may, or may not, be a deal with the EU that Parliament has to approve in the next couple of weeks (at breakneck speed if things carry on at this rate with the negotiations) and it is likely at least some of those who voted against the government tonight were motivated, in part, to give No 10 a reminder they can't be taken for granted.

So BoJo's Covid plan was saved because the Opposition backed it, 55 Tories voted against, ouch. BoJo might soon have the Theresa May problem, as in not able to control factions of the Tory party, honestly probably the same faction May couldn't control, that BoJo used to be a part of.

 

[Sven Karma]

Trenchant analysis of the fail from a small electronics business in Big Eye's neighbourhood:

Brexit - Welcome to the the f*ckwit apocalypse!
Well, Brexit is finally nearly upon us, and astonishing as it may seem, with under 30 days left we still have virtually no idea whats going on and how it will affect things, but its not going to be pretty! No matter what happens in terms of a trade deal between the UK and the EU, the start of next year is going to be a shitstorm of titanic, but not at all surprising proportions. What we do know is that the UK is removing the 'no VAT on imports valued at under £15' thing, which is going to make everything we buy from overseas a hell of a lot more expensive as literally everything will now have customs charges added. The EU is doing the same on imports valued at under 22 euros, but in the case of the EU we think thats been delayed until July. Presumably this is because the EU isn't run by cretins apparently intent on destroying small businesses in the middle of a pandemic.

If you're outside the UK and buy small items or PCB's from us on a regular basis, or you've been holding off buying a few PCB's then we'd suggest that now might be the time to make a few purchases. Not just because this will help us out, but also because you'll avoid whatever shipping chaos and / or fees that might be apparent in the new year. There will definitely be some kind of customs charges between the UK and the EU, but advice seems conflicting on what form it will take. Shipping between the UK and elsewhere in the world probably won't be changing, but there might be delays.

As it is, we are planning on shutting down for 2-3 weeks at the start of January to wait until the dust settles, and so we can work out exactly what the new shipping rules are going to be.

 

[Jean-s]

A million Britons live in or have retired to Spain. Now they are no longer EU members, the rules change. The reciprocal health insurance no longer applies.

"Remoaners" have been pointing such things out for four years now, but it was dismissed as fearmongering.

I have met several English people here in Granada who are not visitors but permanent residents. They are at their wits end about the future where their small pensions go a long way in meeting the low cost of living in sunny Spain. They never wanted Brexit.

 

[Manc Skipper]

There's a TV show here about Brits who live in a trailer park on the Costa del Sol! "Bargain-loving Brits in the Sun" which probably beats life in a caravan pak in Britain in the winter! I swear some of them were Brexiters back when it first started. Even use of the word "expat" shields them from the reality that they are immigrants!

 

[Jean-s]

Popular English newspaper calls Angela Merkel the 'real villain' of Brexit
ANGELA Merkel is the "real villain" in the Brexit saga, having blocked concessions which might have helped David Cameron (an ex-English prime minister) win the 2016 referendum, a former biographer of Boris Johnson has claimed.
Tom Bower claimed the German Chancellor's "intransigence" put Mr Cameron in an impossible situation - and was a major factor towards Britain's decision to quit the bloc.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/worl...cellor-boris-johnson-david-cameron-spiegel-eu

This is the type of English vitriol against Europeans that is the daily diet of English people. It explains why the English people are among the least informed in Europe.

 

[joluoto]

Popular English newspaper calls Angela Merkel the 'real villain' of Brexit
ANGELA Merkel is the "real villain" in the Brexit saga, having blocked concessions which might have helped David Cameron (an ex-English prime minister) win the 2016 referendum, a former biographer of Boris Johnson has claimed.
Tom Bower claimed the German Chancellor's "intransigence" put Mr Cameron in an impossible situation - and was a major factor towards Britain's decision to quit the bloc.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/worl...cellor-boris-johnson-david-cameron-spiegel-eu

This is the type of English vitriol against Europeans that is the daily diet of English people. It explains why the English people are among the least informed in Europe.

Oh for f*ck's sake. Britain had enough concessions already, why should they have different rules than anyone else? David Cameron was a gambler. He gambled on AV to please the Lib Dems, he gambled on Scottish independence to placate the SNP and he gambled on Brexit to please the Tory backbenchers. He won two of his gambles with AV and Scottish independence being defeated, he lost his third gamble.

 

[Lafayette]

The Brexit doom just keeps on coming.

The Brits asked for it when they voted for that guy at Downing Street. So, they are "gonna get it". What the "it" is, I'll venture, is not even close to their present notions. There have been fundamental changes to internal-markets that have been brought about by the Internet. (And heightened by Covid!)

Most of Europe is not even prepared for them, and that is not to say that the Brits are more-prepared.

You-plural are letting go of a European-market that is of key-importance to your own livelihoods. And nobody took that into consideration in the last voting. (Of course, Labor would put up that JERKO candidate they had filling in as an "alternative".)

I cannot imagine a people as down-to-earth as the Brits having caused such a fabulous mistake that is being felt already on both sides of the EU's trade divide.

(Been drinking too much French wine, have you ...? ;^)

 

[PeteEU]

Matt Hancock boasted that because of Brexit, the UK could approve the vaccine quicker. Only problem is the head of the approval organisation shot him down by saying they were still following existing EU rules until the 1st of January...

 

[Lafayette]

WELL PUT

From the Financial Times here:

To make the best out of Brexit, the UK will almost certainly need to step up industrial subsidies, but mostly in new high-tech industries. This is not mercantilist market share grabbing. The UK could, for example, supplement its strength in signal intelligence with strategic investments in high-tech military technologies. The UK is well placed, by European standards, in pharmaceutical research and the next generation of military and civilian artificial intelligence applications. Britain would be unwise to follow the EU’s framework for data protection — a nightmare for small businesses and an obstacle to any fledgling AI industry.

Of all the nonsense traded by both sides in the negotiations, neither side was thinking of the mutual damage done. Which, I feel, is best expressed above by the FT.

There IS going to be mutual-impact on both sides of the divide as regards Network Industries. These are the people/companies that depend upon the Internet to function (and causes also dysfunction).

The Internet has increased ENORMOUSLY the money being made in the Services Industries. Above all, toys-for-boys who have nothing better to than bang on a silly Internet play-show. The amounts of revenue being generated are colossal in both personal and public-markets for Internet-based services.

And aside from that there are the personal expediences of smartphones - both to waste time but also to put to good use. I could go on, but the point is made. The result of New Technologies will have both good and bad consequences upon how we live (work) and the way we live (pleasure).

My point? The way we work and the way we live has undertaken a very profound acceleration. And we can only hope we are prepared for it. Because change can be good-or-bad - and the degree of either depends upon how well or not we undertake its transformations.

Which is always a highly personal matter ...

 

[Lafayette]

The English Tories did precious little for the working class in England's north country. Never did, never will.

So, how did those Tories get elected with such a high percentage of the vote?

The Labor candidate was - uh - "lackluster"? (And I am being kind with that remark ...!)

 

[PeteEU]

So, how did those Tories get elected with such a high percentage of the vote?

The Labor candidate was - uh - "lackluster"? (And I am being kind with that remark ...!)

The Tories got only 40ish % of the vote. Most people voted against them, but because of the undemocratic nature of the UK, the Tories have an absolute majority of 70+ seats.

 

[Lafayette]

The Tories got only 40ish % of the vote. Most people voted against them, but because of the undemocratic nature of the UK, the Tories have an absolute majority of 70+ seats.

Yes, a 60 seat majority over Labour IS kinda-sorta absolute.

Has Labour changed its leadership? Or, will they take another 20-years to thrash that out ... ?

 

[Jean-s]

So, how did those Tories get elected with such a high percentage of the vote?

The Labor candidate was - uh - "lackluster"? (And I am being kind with that remark ...!)

The English working class are notoriously xenophobic.

 

[Jean-s]

Yes, a 60 seat majority over Labour IS kinda-sorta absolute.

Has Labour changed its leadership? Or, will they take another 20-years to thrash that out ... ?

Ed Miliband and Jeremy Corbin were made leaders of Labour as a reaction to the right-wing militarism of the pro-American Tony Blair. Once the party did disastrously in the elections, they shifted back to a right-wing pro-Israeli leader with the English knight Sir Keir Starmer as their leader. He will be considered one of their betters, being a professional lawyer with a title. The English are fixated on class.

 

[Jean-s]

Oh for f*ck's sake. Britain had enough concessions already, why should they have different rules than anyone else? David Cameron was a gambler. He gambled on AV to please the Lib Dems, he gambled on Scottish independence to placate the SNP and he gambled on Brexit to please the Tory backbenchers. He won two of his gambles with AV and Scottish independence being defeated, he lost his third gamble.

Name one concession Britain has made to the European Union. In contrast, the European Union has returned billions of pounds to Britain in various projects, allowed Britain to keep its own currency, allowed Britain to remain outside of the Schengen area, allowed the English colony of Gibraltar to me part of Devonshire, Ha! etc., etc.