[W:#7426]How will Brexit go?***W:46]***

[Big Eye]

You realize that the majority of people are selfish short term thinking idiots.

The government should not follow the will of the people, it should govern for the betterment of the country while following civil rights

Is that your way of saying you don’t like the plebs having the vote? Democracy doesn’t sit well with people that hate humanity...that’s why leftists constantly push agendas that are negative for the bulk of people.

 

[Lord Tammerlain]

Is that your way of saying you don’t like the plebs having the vote? Democracy doesn’t sit well with people that hate humanity...that’s why leftists constantly push agendas that are negative for the bulk of people.

Nope I like people voting, for the best people possible. I do not want politicians to be populists doing what the public wants based on whims of the moronic poorly informed masses.

Politicians are meant to lead and direct the country to make it better for the long term. Not follow the whims of the public that can change weekly. When they do that things start to go downhill and quickly

 

[Big Eye]

Nope I like people voting, for the best people possible. I do not want politicians to be populists doing what the public wants based on whims of the moronic poorly informed masses.

Politicians are meant to lead and direct the country to make it better for the long term. Not follow the whims of the public that can change weekly. When they do that things start to go downhill and quickly

I think you have this completely arse about face. It’s always the great leaders that **** things up...policy should be led by the people , not dreamt up by humanity hating dictators. Why the **** would anyone of sound mind think politicians have a better reading of reality than the “masses”...the masses as a whole have a wisdom beyond political leaders.

 

[Lord Tammerlain]

I think you have this completely arse about face. It’s always the great leaders that **** things up...policy should be led by the people , not dreamt up by humanity hating dictators. Why the **** would anyone of sound mind think politicians have a better reading of reality than the “masses”...the masses as a whole have a wisdom beyond political leaders.

Do you know if a new road is needed to meet growth in 20 years?
Do you know which economic policies will have the best potential to increase growth over the next 20 years?
Do you have access to the reports and if you did would you read them and make an informed decision?


The masses are poorly informed on those types of decisions, that is why we hire politicians to lead and make decisions that we do not have information on

 

[PeteEU]

To be fair, the last actual German on the throne was Prince Albert. (Prince of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha) Victoria was the Anglo and he was the Saxon!

Well that ain't exactly what I was thinking about... Go back further...

 

[Sven Karma]

I find it strange that you rabid EUers constantly over play the importance of a trade deal with the EU...you even think it is worth surrendering the self determination of the British people for it...even though our trade with the US shows we can trade perfectly well with no deal. Also if Trump wins and we get some kind of deal with the US I’ll guarantee it won’t involve us handing them our right to self determination.

'Also if Trump wins'

 

[Jack Hays]

Boris Johnson threatens a no-deal Brexit as Britain and France fight over fish
Fishing is only a miniscule portion of the their economies, but It plays into the romance of ancient fights between France and Britain, as well as the nationalism that drove Brexit.
By William Booth, James McAuley and Karla Adam

 

[Ginza]

Where's the benefit in a no deal Brexit which JOHNSON promised was virtually impossible madness?

I guess Boris didn't expect that the EU would impose such onerous conditions on an agreement.

With the EU exporting far more to the UK than vice-versa (Germany alone exports 800 000 cars a year to the UK). I think the EU will come to their senses before it's too late.

If not, so be it.

 

[Ginza]

Johnson made a living lying about the European Union when he wrote for the Conservative Daily Telegraph and he continues to do so. He fooled a lot of English people.

Which comment shows a complete absence of understanding of British politics, as it is mainly lower income, working class English people who support Brexit....many of whom voted Tory at the last election, so determined they are that the UK will leave Europe.

Few working class English people read the Telegraph.

 

[Ginza]

Johnson's done it! He's walking away, announcing his abject failure as a victory. No Deal was a "million to one" possibility in 2017.

Lol! It takes two to come to an agreement.

Why on earth should the EU have access to UK fisjing waters?

The EU have far more to lose than the UK but are determined to show the EU nations that they will make it difficult for them to leave.

The EU has more motive, politically, than the EU to have a no deal Brexit.

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[Ginza]

He really seems to believe that the EU owes us all the benefits of membership without the trouble of paying fees!

Are you serious? Why should the UK pay any fees to the EU when the EU exports far more to the UK than vice versa?

Your view makes no sense at all.

 

[Jack Hays]

The Battle of Trafalgar

 

[joluoto]

'Also if Trump wins'

Probably easier for the UK to get a decent trade deal with the US if Trump isn't there anymore. The only deal Trump will offer is one that says: "You buy, we sell".

 

[PeteEU]

I guess Boris didn't expect that the EU would impose such onerous conditions on an agreement.

With the EU exporting far more to the UK than vice-versa (Germany alone exports 800 000 cars a year to the UK). I think the EU will come to their senses before it's too late.

If not, so be it.

What onerous conditions? Can you name them?

 

[PeteEU]

Probably easier for the UK to get a decent trade deal with the US if Trump isn't there anymore. The only deal Trump will offer is one that says: "You buy, we sell".

No.. if the UK wants sovereignty, then it has to trade on WTO rules, IF they get their freaking schedules in place.. which they are not doing. So it will be for a while on the conditions that Mauritania trade on as a 3rd country. The irony is, that having schedules and being in the WTO lessens the UKs sovereignty...

 

[PeteEU]

Are you serious? Why should the UK pay any fees to the EU when the EU exports far more to the UK than vice versa?

Your view makes no sense at all.

Your comment makes absolutely no sense.. You clearly dont understand what the subject is about. Things like medical care of existing expats in the EU needs payment for.. and many more things. Access to Nuclear materials needs payment and what not. Has nothing to do with trade. Hell airline access to the EU needs payment for.. and shocker, at the moment all flights from the UK to the EU will be suspended on the 1st of January because Boris and his morons have pulled out of European Open Sky and not replaced it yet..... well they have with the US, but not the whole of Europe.. I mean come on..

 

[PeteEU]

Lol! It takes two to come to an agreement.

Why on earth should the EU have access to UK fisjing waters?

The EU have far more to lose than the UK but are determined to show the EU nations that they will make it difficult for them to leave.

The EU has more motive, politically, than the EU to have a no deal Brexit.

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Why should the UK have access to European ports then? Most of the British fishermen sell their catches in the EU, not in the UK.

And.. how does the EU have far more to lose than the UK? Please come with specifics.

 

[joluoto]

No.. if the UK wants sovereignty, then it has to trade on WTO rules, IF they get their freaking schedules in place.. which they are not doing. So it will be for a while on the conditions that Mauritania trade on as a 3rd country. The irony is, that having schedules and being in the WTO lessens the UKs sovereignty...

Also WTO is crippled right now, if a dispute happens there is literary no way of solving it because The Appellate body doesn't exist right now, because the US blocked the appointment of new judges to it.

 

[Big Eye]

Do you know if a new road is needed to meet growth in 20 years?
Do you know which economic policies will have the best potential to increase growth over the next 20 years?
Do you have access to the reports and if you did would you read them and make an informed decision?


The masses are poorly informed on those types of decisions, that is why we hire politicians to lead and make decisions that we do not have information on

Governments generally spend the people’s money and debt badly. So sure if there is a requirement for a new road there needs to be a way for that to be politically mandated....so we do need politicians. But on the other hand politicians often pursue ideas that people do not want....so we have the white elephant of HS2 being built at huge, and growing expense. So in other words politicians should be directed by the people, not vice Veras.

Politicians are better when they let the people run the economy without too much interference.

The best economic policies usually involve politicians getting out of the way, although they are useful for imposing ideas like the minimum wage.

 

[Manc Skipper]

Are you serious? Why should the UK pay any fees to the EU when the EU exports far more to the UK than vice versa?

Your view makes no sense at all.

Gibbertish

 

[Big Eye]

Boris Johnson threatens a no-deal Brexit as Britain and France fight over fish
Fishing is only a miniscule portion of the their economies, but It plays into the romance of ancient fights between France and Britain, as well as the nationalism that drove Brexit.
By William Booth, James McAuley and Karla Adam

It’s a small part of the economy because we have let the EU destroy it. There is huge growth potential.

 

[Manc Skipper]

Governments generally spend the people’s money and debt badly. So sure if there is a requirement for a new road there needs to be a way for that to be politically mandated....so we do need politicians. But on the other hand politicians often pursue ideas that people do not want....so we have the white elephant of HS2 being built at huge, and growing expense. So in other words politicians should be directed by the people, not vice Veras.

Politicians are better when they let the people run the economy without too much interference.

The best economic policies usually involve politicians getting out of the way, although they are useful for imposing ideas like the minimum wage.

Empty bollocks. Name a benefit of leaving for an average Briton, not a vulture capitalist.

 

[Big Eye]

Probably easier for the UK to get a decent trade deal with the US if Trump isn't there anymore. The only deal Trump will offer is one that says: "You buy, we sell".

That demonstrates that you don’t know how an economy works. Even imported goods can improve the economy of the country doing the importing. It’s about balance, and U.K./EU trade is massively out of balance.

 

[Manc Skipper]

It’s a small part of the economy because we have let the EU destroy it. There is huge growth potential.

British fishermen sold their quotas to the French. Most of what we catch is exported to Europe.

 

[Big Eye]

Empty bollocks. Name a benefit of leaving for an average Briton, not a vulture capitalist.

Well if I were a fisherman I’d be over the moon. For most Brits the biggest deal is the control of the importation of cheap labour. I know you socialists no longer give a flying **** about working class Brits but people that do , know that massive importation of cheap workers has hamstrung them.