Where does government get the money to pay their federal employees?
Isn't that money better spent by the private sector in the private sector?
Maybe. But why? What are all of those people going to do for a living? The private sector can't supply nearly enough jobs for everybody as it is.
That is what I mean by attrition. Nobody looses their job. We just do not replace them when they leave the government. Nobody gets fired.
Why reduce rhe size of government?
So we can reduce the taxes we have to pay.
Is that not a good reason?
The private sector produces goods and services that people buy. I belive when we pay less taxes (to the government), we buy more things (from the private sector). Therefore, the econmy progresses and employ more people.
Where does government get the money to pay their federal employees?
Isn't that money better spent by the private sector in the private sector?
Government, especially the federal one, has become a bloated, under performing, over expensive, over interceding, excessively intrusive, bureaucrat protecting, bureaucracy, without any sort of spending controls or spending discipline, with little more than an culture of excessive spending and corruption, and frankly, needs to have a very large budget axe taken to it for multiple years in a row before it's going to be the size that it satisfactorily justify being.
Government, and it's associated costs, are the overhead for having the self-governing society that we have, and everyone always needs to be mindful that overhead isn't any sort of advantage in anything. It's a cost that steals from everyone and everything else, and ought to be minimized at every turn, and who's expenses should be tightly managed to worthwhile deeds done as cheaply, as efficiently, and as effectively as possible.
I doubt that there's a single nation in human history that grew to greatness by increasing their governmental overhead costs, but I'd imagine that there are probably many that have collapsed because they didn't. Just look at Venezuela. Is that where you want to end up?
These things can be done by the States and still have people keep their jobs. All it's doing is shifting the burden from the Federal level to the State level.
States can't handle the finances.
Probably not. What do you spend your last dollars on? Once the rent is paid and the groceries are bought, what do you buy that's more important than government services? Essential stuff, I'm sure.
Bloated? The President earns $400,000/year. Compare that to private sector CEOs, especially the ones earning tens of millions for doing a lousy job.
Yeah, of course the best comparison is Venezuela. Why not Denmark?
Denmark? Sure.
Let me see if I understand this correctly - you used a meme to back your argument, but your source for the meme was Snopes.com? And it was from a snopes article that debunked the very meme you were using? I don't know if that is dishonest, stupid, or a little of both.
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Even Snopes concludes 'Mixture', so there's something to the meme.
Who's paying for all that 'much more', and will the people stand still for all that government forced confiscation to support it.
Regardless or the meme or not, the fact of the matter is that the more everyone wants for free, the more they are enslaved by the punitive and punishing taxes it takes to pay for it all. TANSTAAFL.
The people of the EU nations seem to have come to terms with this. They pay for it with ridiculous work rules, high cost of labor - so much so that no one hires during the good times, because they can't fire or lay off during the bad times.
I doubt the people of the USA will accept the same sort of socialistic deal. It's not really in the people's or the nation's nature (although I wonder about the BerniBots)
I notice that you've not commented at all about all the rest of that post.
Denmark actually has lower unemployment than the US at 4.3% and a higher labour force participation rate.
Let me see if I understand this correctly - you used a meme to back your argument, but your source for the meme was Snopes.com? And it was from a snopes article that debunked the very meme you were using? I don't know if that is dishonest, stupid, or a little of both.
Anyway you look at it, Denmark is an expensive place to live
Cost Of Living Comparison Between United States And Denmark
Yet the disposable income per month is about the same
Denmark vs United States Cost of living Stats Compared
Sounds to me that this adds up to working lots, but not being able to actually buy all that much (as everything is to bloody expensive).
Theft by another means, I think.
Anyway you look at it, Denmark is an expensive place to live
Cost Of Living Comparison Between United States And Denmark
Where does government get the money to pay their federal employees?
Isn't that money better spent by the private sector in the private sector?
Government, especially the federal one, has become a bloated, under performing, over expensive, over interceding, excessively intrusive, bureaucrat protecting, bureaucracy, without any sort of spending controls or spending discipline, with little more than an culture of excessive spending and corruption, and frankly, needs to have a very large budget axe taken to it for multiple years in a row before it's going to be the size that it satisfactorily justify being.
Government, and it's associated costs, are the overhead for having the self-governing society that we have, and everyone always needs to be mindful that overhead isn't any sort of advantage in anything. It's a cost that steals from everyone and everything else, and ought to be minimized at every turn, and who's expenses should be tightly managed to worthwhile deeds done as cheaply, as efficiently, and as effectively as possible.
I doubt that there's a single nation in human history that grew to greatness by increasing their governmental overhead costs, but I'd imagine that there are probably many that have collapsed because they didn't. Just look at Venezuela. Is that where you want to end up?
Thinker,
Please see the attrition plan as a long term solution.
We will be reducing slowly (by attrition) the government in a way to force the government to function more efficiently and the fraud and abuse will disapear because there will be less people in the government to fraud and abuse.
Even Snopes concludes 'Mixture', so there's something to the meme.
Who's paying for all that 'much more', and will the people stand still for all that government forced confiscation to support it.
Regardless or the meme or not, the fact of the matter is that the more everyone wants for free, the more they are enslaved by the punitive and punishing taxes it takes to pay for it all. TANSTAAFL.
The people of the EU nations seem to have come to terms with this. They pay for it with ridiculous work rules, high cost of labor - so much so that no one hires during the good times, because they can't fire or lay off during the bad times.
I doubt the people of the USA will accept the same sort of socialistic deal. It's not really in the people's or the nation's nature (although I wonder about the BerniBots)
I notice that you've not commented at all about all the rest of that post.
Well according to the OECD the Danish also work less hours than Americans. Danes work on average 1436 hours/year while Americans work 1789 hours/year. A 353 hour difference. This is true for most of Europe, Europeans value work-life balance and quality of life far more than Americans.
You will be amazed how many people, especially younger people, are fine with the idea of democratic socialism. The you're-on-your-own libertarian approach is losing steam.
If You Are Not a Liberal at 25, You Have No Heart. If You Are Not a Conservative at 35 You Have No Brain.
If You Are Not a Liberal at 25, You Have No Heart. If You Are Not a Conservative at 35 You Have No Brain.
mmi,I'm fifty-nine and I'm confident that I'll be a proud, patriotic, freedom-loving liberal until the day I die. (Those who are scornful of my presence shouldn't get their hopes up, as I plan on being around for quite some time yet.) And I have no problem with what I would call "true conservatives" — people who support …
- a fiscal policy that carefully husbands our nation's resources to make wise investments in health, education, infrastructure, a clean environment, and scientific and technological research and doesn't instead expend them on wasteful and unproductive tax cut giveaways to wealthy households
- a prudent foreign policy that patiently works to secure peace and prosperity around the world and doesn't advocate very expensive and irresponsibly dangerous overseas misadventures
- economic policies that work to offer opportunities for enrichment to lower- and middle-class Americans and doesn't describe grotesque levels of income and wealth inequality as the natural consequence of differences in work ethic and lifestyle
- an immigration policy that recognizes and values the wide variety of benefits brought to the US by those who come here seeking a better life for themselves and their families and doesn't instead cynically inspire nativist disparagement and even bigoted hatred of "aliens"
- reasonable gun control policies that protect the right to self-defense and legitimate sporting interests but at the same time operate to diminish as much as is reasonably possible the threats to public safety inherent in the sale and possession of firearms, especially semi-automatic rifles that can be used as instruments of mass murder by violent and mentally unstable individuals
When you say "the public sector" what do yuo mean? What is the pubic sector? Is it a sector of the economy that produces goods and services which increases the economic activity of the nation? And if so, who are the investors for that sector?the sequester resulted in me being kicked me out on my ass when my boss lost his grant. for that and other reasons, i don't support shrinking the public sector. i definitely support reprioritization, though. for example, we should not be wasting money on Middle Eastern wars.
I'm fifty-nine and I'm confident that I'll be a proud, patriotic, freedom-loving liberal until the day I die.
No, sorry. Conservatism is in many ways brain-less.
a liberal opposes freedom
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