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How Pagan Rome Took Over Christianity and Turned Jesus into a Pagan God Replacement...

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James Arjuna

Master Engineer, Scientist/Ordained Minister (1997–present)Aug 10

Most people don’t realize this:
The Roman Empire — the same empire that crucified Jesus and slaughtered his followers for 250 years — eventually claimed to be the “Christian” Church.

But the Rome that “converted” didn’t accept Jesus’ teachings.
It converted Jesus into something the empire could control.

Why Rome Did It

By the 4th century CE, the empire was collapsing from internal conflict, invasions, and economic decline. Christianity was spreading despite persecution.
Emperor Constantine realized it would be easier to merge Christianity with Roman religion than to wipe it out.

How? By swapping pagan gods and customs for “Christian” names — keeping the population happy and uniting the empire under one religion.

Timeline of the Pagan Takeover

Date

What Happened

33 CE

Jesus executed by Roman soldiers. Christianity is a small, scripture-based movement.

64 CE

Nero’s persecution — hundreds to thousands killed in Rome.

2nd Century CE

Greek philosophy seeps in — “immortal soul” idea from Plato replaces Bible teaching that the dead are unconscious.

Mid–2nd Century

Cross symbol adopted from pagan sun/fertility signs.

Late 2nd Century

Veneration of martyrs begins — mirrors pagan hero worship.

3rd Century

Hierarchical clergy forms — modeled after Roman priesthood.

274 CE

Emperor Aurelian promotes Sol Invictus (“Unconquered Sun”).

313 CE

Constantine legalizes Christianity (Edict of Milan) — pagan symbols and practices begin merging.

321 CE

Sunday (day of the Sun) made official day of worship, replacing the biblical Sabbath.

325 CE

Council of Nicaea — Trinity doctrine formalized, turning Jesus into a co-equal “god-king” like Rome’s mythological deities.

336 CE

December 25 chosen as Christ’s “birthday” — matching Sol Invictus festival.

380 CE

Roman version of Christianity becomes state religion (Edict of Thessalonica).

Late 4th Century

Mary given title “Mother of God” — mirrors Isis and Cybele goddess worship.

395 CE

Pagan processions, holy water, incense, and vestments now standard in “Christian” worship.


The Result

Rome stopped persecuting Christians — but only because it had remade Christianity in its own image.
The “Christian” church became a blend of:

Pagan gods → Saints, Mary, and a divine Christ in the pagan mold.
Pagan festivals → Christmas, Easter, All Saints’ Day.
Pagan rituals → Holy water, incense, relic veneration.
Pagan politics → Church and state united under imperial authority.
The Takeaway

If Jesus were alive on earth during the 4th century, the Roman state church would likely have treated Him exactly as the first-century Romans did — as a threat to their power.

The faith He taught in the first century was simple, pure, and free of politics. The religion Rome created was a political machine dressed in Christian clothing.
https://www.quora.com/
 
Kind of like how Christian Nationalists have taken over the US and replaced Jesus with Trump.

 
Kind of like how Christian Nationalists have taken over the US and replaced Jesus with Trump.

Nobody is more jesusier than me. People are saying I’m the most jesusiest president ever, the likes of which you’ve never seen believe me…
 
Nobody is more jesusier than me. People are saying I’m the most jesusiest president ever, the likes of which you’ve never seen believe me…
Yet Trump is the personification of all things God detests, which by definition makes him an anti-Christ. Since they live on the opposite ends of the spectrum in the eyes of God, it suggests that you can not be a follower of Jesus and Trump, for no man can serve two masters. You will be devoted to one and despise the other. Interesting this is actually being played out in many churches. Some are finding Jesus to be too woke (despising the other)

https://www.newsweek.com/evangelica...achings-liberal-talking-points-pastor-1818706

https://boingboing.net/2023/08/17/a...-getting-mad-at-jesus-for-being-too-woke.html

https://newrepublic.com/post/174950/christianity-today-editor-evangelicals-call-jesus-liberal-weak

https://nypost.com/2023/08/09/forme...hink-jesus-quotes-are-liberal-talking-points/

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazin...urch-pastors-political-radicalization/629631/



https://religionnews.com/2022/02/07...ls-owen-strachan-crt-southern-baptists-trump/

https://www.sltrib.com/opinion/letters/2025/02/09/letter-is-jesus-too-woke-you-if/

https://www.businessinsider.com/chu...isis-jesus-liberal-talking-points-2023-8?op=1

https://www.desmoinesregister.com/s...ishop-mariann-budde-donald-trump/77999348007/

But back to your core point, thoroughout human history church and state have forever attempted to capture and ride the power of the other. This historic parasitic relationship is exactly why we should have clear separation of church and state.
 
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Yes, the Church and state have corrupted the Christian religion over the centuries and continue to do so.

Fortunately, there is a difference between religion and faith.
 
Kind of like how Christian Nationalists have taken over the US and replaced Jesus with Trump.

*rolls my eyes*
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People could chose to spend their time helping those in need instead of spending their time trying to prove their religion is THE religion or someone else's religion is fake.

And that goes for all religions. All 4,000.
 
Let's be clear. Prior to the Romans taking over the Church, the various cities and town with followers of Christ did not have a uniform text, did not have a formal doctrine, and where pretty much making it all up as they went along.
Among all this was borrowing from pagan religions including the worship of Mithras, a Persian deity.
Some similarities: source- https://more-history.com/how-christianity-borrowed-from-mithraism/


Birth:
Mithras: Born from a rock (sometimes interpreted as “virgin birth”) in a cave.
Jesus: Born to the Virgin Mary, sometimes depicted in a cave-like stable.

Birthday:
Mithras: Celebrated on December 25th, aligning with the Roman festival of Sol Invictus (Unconquered Sun).
Jesus: Celebrated on December 25th, though the date was adopted later to coincide with pagan festivals.

Twelve Disciples:
Mithras: Often depicted surrounded by the 12 signs of the zodiac, which some interpret as “followers.”
Jesus: Had 12 disciples who followed and learned from him.

Miracles:
Mithras: Associated with performing miraculous deeds, such as slaying the cosmic bull to bring life to the earth.
Jesus: Performed numerous miracles, including turning water into wine, healing the sick, and raising the dead.

Resurrection Theme:
Mithras: Symbolism of renewal and rebirth through rituals like the Tauroctony (bull-slaying), which some link to resurrection themes.
Jesus: Died and resurrected after three days, central to Christian theology.

Sacred Meal:
Mithras: Followers partook in a communal meal of bread and wine, symbolizing the body and blood of the bull.
Jesus: Instituted the Last Supper, with bread and wine symbolizing his body and blood.

Day of Worship:
Mithras: Worshipped on Sunday, aligning with the day of the sun in Roman tradition.
Jesus: Christians adopted Sunday as their primary day of worship, marking the day of Jesus’ resurrection.
Titles and Epithets:

Mithras: Known as “The Truth,” “The Light,” and “Mediator.”
Jesus: Referred to as “The Way, the Truth, and the Life,” “The Light of the World,” and “Mediator between God and humanity.”

Salvation Theme:
Mithras: Followers believed in salvation through Mithras’ sacrifice and rituals.
Jesus: Salvation is central to Christian belief, achieved through Jesus’ sacrifice.

Baptism:
Mithras: Initiates underwent a ritualistic cleansing or baptism in Mithraic rites.
Jesus: Baptism is a sacrament symbolizing purification and initiation into the faith.
It, therefor, wouldn't not surprising the Roman would have incorporated THEIR Roman deities (stolen from the Greeks) into the Church also, which very likely happened. Going along with this, much of what we call Christianity in the early time were simply borrowing from godlike beliefs they already had in place. Not only the Roman Catholic Church but early followers of the Jesus figure. Constantine rolled this all up into one neat package (the early Bible) and mandated it as the official religion of Rome.

Now, does this take away from the religion? Probably not, However, it does show the roots of Christianity having questionable beginnings.
 
the various cities and town with followers of Christ did not have a uniform text, did not have a formal doctrine, and where pretty much making it all up as they went along.
Not true...the book of Acts is a record of the beginning of the Christian congregation and a record of its public witnessing in the face of fierce opposition...Paul wrote letters to several different congregations, offering them guidance/advice...

Acts

This is the title by which one of the Bible books has been called since the second century C.E. It covers primarily the activity of Peter and Paul, rather than that of all the apostles in general; and it provides us with a most reliable and comprehensive history of the spectacular beginning and rapid development of the Christian organization, first among the Jews and then among the Samaritans and the Gentile nations.

The overriding theme of the entire Bible, Jehovah’s Kingdom, dominates the book (Ac 1:3; 8:12; 14:22; 19:8; 20:25; 28:31), and we are constantly reminded of how the apostles bore “thorough witness” concerning Christ and that Kingdom and fully accomplished their ministry. (2:40; 5:42; 8:25; 10:42; 20:21, 24; 23:11; 26:22; 28:23) The book also provides a superb historical background against which to view the inspired letters of the Christian Greek Scriptures.
https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1200000084
 
As I understand the whole point of the Council of Nicaea was to unify the various Christian faction to codify the Gospels and the religion, in particular the divine nature of Jesus and His relationship to God. Obviously there was some differing of opinions.

per https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/religion/first/diversity.html
"The historical reality is probably much more complex. The Christian movement probably began not from a single center but from many different centers where different groups of disciples of Jesus gathered and tried to make sense of what they had experienced with him and what had happened to him at the end of his public ministry. Each of those groups probably had a very different take on what the significance of Jesus was. Some of them understanding his death and the resurrection experience, if they focused on it, in terms of exaltation. Others understanding it in terms of a resuscitation of the corpse of Jesus, others not worrying very much at all about the resurrection of Jesus, but concentrating on his teaching and trying to propagate that. We can see, even in the canonical text, in the Book of Acts, that there were different groups that were in competition with one another. Those who insisted more strongly on observance of Jewish laws in the Torah competed with those who were more open to admission of gentiles without imposing the burden of the Torah on them. There were others who we meet again in the Book of Acts, who apparently stood in continuity with the activity of John the Baptist and did not know the baptism that the Pauline Christians, at least, knew. So there was much more diversity in the early stages of the Christian movement than the Book of Acts suggest...."

The written Acts date back to the 4th century Alexandrian and the 6th century Western versions. 100 and 300 years AFTER Constantine and 600 years after Jesus Himself. This does not encourage me to believe things hadn't been changed and manipulated to fit a narrative.. We know the Bible itself was hand written by Catholic monks up to the invention of the the Gutenberg press. Again, manipulating to fit a narrative. I have ZERO faith the Church was 100% honest in keeping the Bible unchanged, being written by hand in Latin, already an obscure language.

During that time travel between cities and city-states was limited to merchants primarily. It would have been completely logical that differences in teaching the word of Jesus would have been fractured somewhat. Especially since at that time there was no written codified notion of what Christianity was. Most people of that time were not learned nor scholars.

So you ignored all my refences to pagan influence to focus on ONE opening statement?
 
The book of Acts...

When and Where Written. The book covers a period of approximately 28 years, from Jesus’ ascension in 33 C.E. to the end of the second year of Paul’s imprisonment in Rome about 61 C.E. During this period four Roman emperors ruled in succession: Tiberius, Caligula, Claudius, and Nero. Since it relates events through the second year of Paul’s imprisonment in Rome, it could not have been completed earlier. Had the account been written later, it is reasonable to expect that Luke would have provided more information about Paul; if written after the year 64 C.E., mention surely would have been made of Nero’s violent persecution that began then; and if written after 70 C.E., as some contend, we would expect to find Jerusalem’s destruction recorded.

The writer Luke accompanied Paul much of the time during his travels, including the perilous voyage to Rome, which is apparent from his use of the first-person plural pronouns “we,” “our,” and “us” in Acts 16:10-17; 20:5-15; 21:1-18; 27:1-37; 28:1-16. Paul, in his letters written from Rome, mentions that Luke was also there. (Col 4:14; Phm 24) It was, therefore, in Rome that the writing of the book of Acts was completed.

As already observed, Luke himself was an eyewitness to much of what he wrote, and in his travels he contacted fellow Christians who either participated in or observed certain events described.
For example, John Mark could tell him of Peter’s miraculous prison release (Ac 12:12), while the events described in chapters 6 and 8 could have been learned from the missionary Philip. And Paul, of course, as an eyewitness, was able to supply many details of events that happened when Luke was not with him.
https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1200000084
 
Introduction to the Question

Much discussion has arisen online, in academic circles, and among the general public regarding whether early Christians “borrowed” or adapted practices from pagan religions. On the surface, one can observe similarities in certain holiday customs, artistic depictions, or cultural festivities. However, it is essential to distinguish between superficial coincidences-shaped by geography, language, and historical context-and the unique truth claims of Christianity as firmly grounded in Scripture.


II. Cultural Context and the Emergence of Christianity

From its inception, Christianity developed in a cultural milieu heavily influenced by Jewish traditions and a broader Roman world steeped in polytheistic and pagan practices. The New Testament frequently references this reality:

• The Apostle Paul, writing to churches in cities with pagan temples and rites, warned believers, “Therefore, my beloved, flee from idolatry” (1 Corinthians 10:14).

• In Ephesus, pagan magic and rituals were prevalent, yet believers publicly burned magic scrolls as they turned exclusively to Christ (Acts 19:18-20).

This historical environment clarifies that Christians coexisted with pagan cultures but maintained distinctive doctrines and worship forms. While proximity may have influenced customs like choice of celebration dates or architectural adaptations, the core beliefs grew distinctly out of God’s revelation in the Scriptures, not from pagan religious tenets.



III. Biblical Mandates Against Pagan Assimilation

The Old Testament repeatedly warns Israel against adopting pagan practices (Deuteronomy 18:9-14). In the New Testament, believers are instructed to remain pure amid worldly pressures:

• “Do not be unequally yoked with unbelievers...” (2 Corinthians 6:14).

• “Come out from among them and be separate” (2 Corinthians 6:17).


Despite living under Roman rule, early Christians placed allegiance to Christ far above pagan societal norms, often facing persecution because they refused to participate in emperor worship or polytheistic offerings.
These commands exemplify a direct rejection of syncretism-meaning Christianity made no genuine theological compromise with pagan religions.




V. The Historical and Archaeological Evidence

1. Early Church Writings

Documents from the early church (1st-3rd centuries AD) show believers fighting vigorously against paganism. For example, Tertullian (late 2nd century) denounced pagan festivals and refused syncretic worship.

Justin Martyr (2nd century) debated with pagan philosophers, defending the distinct person and work of Christ.
Their testimonies reveal a community safeguarding unique Christian doctrines rather than blending them with outside sources.



2. Archaeological Discoveries

• Excavations of early Christian sites (e.g., the catacombs in Rome) exhibit biblical symbols (the fish, the dove, the anchor) used to distinguish Christian identity, rather than repurposing pagan symbolism.

• The Dead Sea Scrolls (discovered mid-20th century near Qumran) confirm the continuity and reliability of Old Testament texts, which thoroughly reject pagan deities and worship. This supports the biblical narrative’s stance against mere absorption of outside religious practices.





IX. Conclusion: The Difference in Source and Substance

In summary, claims that Christianity “borrowed” from paganism often conflate surface-level similarities (like certain adopted calendar dates, generalized imagery styles, or cultural forms of celebration) with theological identity.
At its core, Christian worship, doctrines, and even holiday observations flow from Scripture, which consistently condemns pagan worship.
The biblical narrative provides a coherent revelation of God’s redemptive plan, culminating in Jesus Christ’s atoning death and physical resurrection.
As the New Testament attests, “there is no other name under heaven given to mankind by which we must be saved” (Acts 4:12).

The historical, archaeological, and manuscript evidence affirms that the Scriptures stand uniquely authoritative.
The philosophical and behavioral facets of human existence point to the God revealed therein as the personal Creator and Redeemer.
Christianity did not emerge as a patchwork of pagan beliefs; rather, it stands on the foundation of divine revelation and the person of Jesus Christ, whose resurrection provides the ultimate proof of His identity
and power to save.


 
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Let's be clear. Prior to the Romans taking over the Church, the various cities and town with followers of Christ did not have a uniform text, did not have a formal doctrine, and where pretty much making it all up as they went along.
Among all this was borrowing from pagan religions including the worship of Mithras, a Persian deity.
Some similarities: source- https://more-history.com/how-christianity-borrowed-from-mithraism/


Birth:
Mithras: Born from a rock (sometimes interpreted as “virgin birth”) in a cave.
Jesus: Born to the Virgin Mary, sometimes depicted in a cave-like stable.

Birthday:
Mithras: Celebrated on December 25th, aligning with the Roman festival of Sol Invictus (Unconquered Sun).
Jesus: Celebrated on December 25th, though the date was adopted later to coincide with pagan festivals.

Twelve Disciples:
Mithras: Often depicted surrounded by the 12 signs of the zodiac, which some interpret as “followers.”
Jesus: Had 12 disciples who followed and learned from him.

Miracles:
Mithras: Associated with performing miraculous deeds, such as slaying the cosmic bull to bring life to the earth.
Jesus: Performed numerous miracles, including turning water into wine, healing the sick, and raising the dead.

Resurrection Theme:
Mithras: Symbolism of renewal and rebirth through rituals like the Tauroctony (bull-slaying), which some link to resurrection themes.
Jesus: Died and resurrected after three days, central to Christian theology.

Sacred Meal:
Mithras: Followers partook in a communal meal of bread and wine, symbolizing the body and blood of the bull.
Jesus: Instituted the Last Supper, with bread and wine symbolizing his body and blood.

Day of Worship:
Mithras: Worshipped on Sunday, aligning with the day of the sun in Roman tradition.
Jesus: Christians adopted Sunday as their primary day of worship, marking the day of Jesus’ resurrection.
Titles and Epithets:

Mithras: Known as “The Truth,” “The Light,” and “Mediator.”
Jesus: Referred to as “The Way, the Truth, and the Life,” “The Light of the World,” and “Mediator between God and humanity.”

Salvation Theme:
Mithras: Followers believed in salvation through Mithras’ sacrifice and rituals.
Jesus: Salvation is central to Christian belief, achieved through Jesus’ sacrifice.

Baptism:
Mithras: Initiates underwent a ritualistic cleansing or baptism in Mithraic rites.
Jesus: Baptism is a sacrament symbolizing purification and initiation into the faith.
It, therefor, wouldn't not surprising the Roman would have incorporated THEIR Roman deities (stolen from the Greeks) into the Church also, which very likely happened. Going along with this, much of what we call Christianity in the early time were simply borrowing from godlike beliefs they already had in place. Not only the Roman Catholic Church but early followers of the Jesus figure. Constantine rolled this all up into one neat package (the early Bible) and mandated it as the official religion of Rome.

Now, does this take away from the religion? Probably not, However, it does show the roots of Christianity having questionable beginnings.

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Sorry.
I mistook your post for Daisy.
 
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James Arjuna

Master Engineer, Scientist/Ordained Minister (1997–present)Aug 10

Most people don’t realize this:
The Roman Empire — the same empire that crucified Jesus and slaughtered his followers for 250 years — eventually claimed to be the “Christian” Church.

But the Rome that “converted” didn’t accept Jesus’ teachings.
It converted Jesus into something the empire could control.

Why Rome Did It

By the 4th century CE, the empire was collapsing from internal conflict, invasions, and economic decline. Christianity was spreading despite persecution.
Emperor Constantine realized it would be easier to merge Christianity with Roman religion than to wipe it out.

How? By swapping pagan gods and customs for “Christian” names — keeping the population happy and uniting the empire under one religion.

Timeline of the Pagan Takeover

Date

What Happened

33 CE

Jesus executed by Roman soldiers. Christianity is a small, scripture-based movement.

64 CE

Nero’s persecution — hundreds to thousands killed in Rome.

2nd Century CE

Greek philosophy seeps in — “immortal soul” idea from Plato replaces Bible teaching that the dead are unconscious.

Mid–2nd Century

Cross symbol adopted from pagan sun/fertility signs.

Late 2nd Century

Veneration of martyrs begins — mirrors pagan hero worship.

3rd Century

Hierarchical clergy forms — modeled after Roman priesthood.

274 CE

Emperor Aurelian promotes Sol Invictus (“Unconquered Sun”).

313 CE

Constantine legalizes Christianity (Edict of Milan) — pagan symbols and practices begin merging.

321 CE

Sunday (day of the Sun) made official day of worship, replacing the biblical Sabbath.

325 CE

Council of Nicaea — Trinity doctrine formalized, turning Jesus into a co-equal “god-king” like Rome’s mythological deities.

336 CE

December 25 chosen as Christ’s “birthday” — matching Sol Invictus festival.

380 CE

Roman version of Christianity becomes state religion (Edict of Thessalonica).

Late 4th Century

Mary given title “Mother of God” — mirrors Isis and Cybele goddess worship.

395 CE

Pagan processions, holy water, incense, and vestments now standard in “Christian” worship.


The Result

Rome stopped persecuting Christians — but only because it had remade Christianity in its own image.
The “Christian” church became a blend of:

Pagan gods → Saints, Mary, and a divine Christ in the pagan mold.
Pagan festivals → Christmas, Easter, All Saints’ Day.
Pagan rituals → Holy water, incense, relic veneration.
Pagan politics → Church and state united under imperial authority.
The Takeaway

If Jesus were alive on earth during the 4th century, the Roman state church would likely have treated Him exactly as the first-century Romans did — as a threat to their power.

The faith He taught in the first century was simple, pure, and free of politics. The religion Rome created was a political machine dressed in Christian clothing.
https://www.quora.com/

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Mistaken identity.
 
James Arjuna



Mid–2nd Century

Cross symbol adopted from pagan sun/fertility signs.


You can't say Christianity's cross was adopted from the pagan sun/fertility.
Pagans may have been using a cross symbol..........but it is the meaning behind it that's important.


Jesus Christ Himself, referred to the cross. It is a symbol of suffering.


Matthew 16 (NASB)
24 Then Jesus said to His disciples, “If anyone wants to come after Me, he must deny himself, take up his cross, and follow Me.




Matthew 27
32 As they were coming out, they found a man of Cyrene named Simon,whom they compelled to carry His cross.


Philippians 3:18
For many walk, of whom I often told you, and now tell you even weeping, that they are enemies of the cross of Christ,
Col 2:14
having canceled the charge of our legal indebtedness, which stood against us and condemned us; he has taken it away, nailing it to the cross.



1 Cor 1:18
For the word of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.




I notice that your JW NWT has changed the term cross, for "torture stake."
 
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James Arjuna

Master Engineer, Scientist/Ordained Minister (1997–present)Aug 10

Most people don’t realize this:
The Roman Empire — the same empire that crucified Jesus and slaughtered his followers for 250 years — eventually claimed to be the “Christian” Church.

But the Rome that “converted” didn’t accept Jesus’ teachings.
It converted Jesus into something the empire could control.

Why Rome Did It

By the 4th century CE, the empire was collapsing from internal conflict, invasions, and economic decline. Christianity was spreading despite persecution.
Emperor Constantine realized it would be easier to merge Christianity with Roman religion than to wipe it out.

How? By swapping pagan gods and customs for “Christian” names — keeping the population happy and uniting the empire under one religion.

Timeline of the Pagan Takeover

Date

What Happened

33 CE

Jesus executed by Roman soldiers. Christianity is a small, scripture-based movement.

64 CE

Nero’s persecution — hundreds to thousands killed in Rome.

2nd Century CE

Greek philosophy seeps in — “immortal soul” idea from Plato replaces Bible teaching that the dead are unconscious.

Mid–2nd Century

Cross symbol adopted from pagan sun/fertility signs.

Late 2nd Century

Veneration of martyrs begins — mirrors pagan hero worship.

3rd Century

Hierarchical clergy forms — modeled after Roman priesthood.

274 CE

Emperor Aurelian promotes Sol Invictus (“Unconquered Sun”).

313 CE

Constantine legalizes Christianity (Edict of Milan) — pagan symbols and practices begin merging.

321 CE

Sunday (day of the Sun) made official day of worship, replacing the biblical Sabbath.

325 CE

Council of Nicaea — Trinity doctrine formalized, turning Jesus into a co-equal “god-king” like Rome’s mythological deities.

336 CE

December 25 chosen as Christ’s “birthday” — matching Sol Invictus festival.

380 CE

Roman version of Christianity becomes state religion (Edict of Thessalonica).

Late 4th Century

Mary given title “Mother of God” — mirrors Isis and Cybele goddess worship.

395 CE

Pagan processions, holy water, incense, and vestments now standard in “Christian” worship.


The Result

Rome stopped persecuting Christians — but only because it had remade Christianity in its own image.
The “Christian” church became a blend of:

Pagan gods → Saints, Mary, and a divine Christ in the pagan mold.
Pagan festivals → Christmas, Easter, All Saints’ Day.
Pagan rituals → Holy water, incense, relic veneration.
Pagan politics → Church and state united under imperial authority.
The Takeaway

If Jesus were alive on earth during the 4th century, the Roman state church would likely have treated Him exactly as the first-century Romans did — as a threat to their power.

The faith He taught in the first century was simple, pure, and free of politics. The religion Rome created was a political machine dressed in Christian clothing.
https://www.quora.com/



Do you believe in the CRUCIFIXION of CHRIST?


Do you believe He was nailed to the cross?
 
Do you believe in the CRUCIFIXION of CHRIST?


Do you believe He was nailed to the cross?
Psssst...he doesn't post here...just sayin'...:sneaky:
 



COMING from a JW..................... 😁



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I have to point out the irony of the title when we apply your own JW belief into it.
You and JW are actually the ones guilty of that! 😁

Here is how:


You believe Jesus Christ is not GOD Himself in human form, but is the son of GOD.
That Jesus was given as a sacrifice by His own Father, would be following the pagan practice of sacrificing men/offsprings to appease deities.



It would be your JW belief that conforms to pagan practice, in that case.

Not to mention, the practice of idolatry - turning Jesus into another idol - just as pagans have many idols - by glorifying and worshipping Him.





Isaiah 48:2
I am the Lord, that is My name; I will not give My glory to another, Nor My praise to idols.


Isaiah 48:11

For my own sake, for my own sake, I do it, for how should my name be profaned? My glory I will not give to another.





GOD gave that non-conditional statement clearly, that He doesn't give or share His glory with anyone else.
He never mentioned any caveat by saying..............."except to my Son."
 
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James Arjuna



2nd Century CE

Greek philosophy seeps in — “immortal soul” idea from Plato replaces Bible teaching that the dead are unconscious.


Immortal souls has nothing to do with being "unconscious."
A soul can be unconscious (asleep), and yet still be immortal.
That's assuming they are indeed, unconscious..................which I don't think so.

The soul isn't unconscious. It goes back to GOD................to await the Resurrection of the Dead.

It's the dead person that's been described as "asleep" ........which makes sense if you believe that someday, the dead will rise again. NO?
Poetically, the dead can be described as sleeping.

RESURRECTION OF THE DEAD! Hello? Does that ring a bell?


Do you believe the dead will rise again when Jesus comes, Daisy?





Lest you bring up your favorite Ecclesiastes line again...........................let me save you the trouble and do it for you. :)


In Ecclesiastes we read “The dead know not anything” (Ecclesiastes 9:5). Certainly we all agree that a dead and deteriorating body has absolutely no consciousness of anything past, present, or future.
But are the advocates of “soul-sleep” justified in using the above text as evidence of the unconscious state of the soul after death?
We believe that this method using a text to support a false theory that elsewhere is denied in Scripture, proves that those who stoop to such methods either are untruthful or deficient.
Those who teach “soul-sleep” will find it quite difficult to harmonize their views with other statements that are made by the same writer of Ecclesiastes:



Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God Who gave it (Ecclesiastes 12:7).


All go unto one place; for all are of the dust, and all turn to dust again (Ecclesiastes 3:20).


Now we know that this verse is speaking of the body, for in the next verse we read:



Who knoweth the spirit of man that goeth upward? (Ecclesiastes 3:21).


 
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Late 2nd Century

Veneration of martyrs begins — mirrors pagan hero worship.

Talk about mirrors.




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Face the mirror, Daisy. What do you see?


If Jesus is not GOD Himself - then, Jesus was a martyr.................... according to you and JW.
He was made a martyr by His own Father, who wanted to be appeased for the salvation of man, by the death of His own son.



You've been glorifying and worshipping, let alone venerating a martyr all this time. :)
 
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