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Did you not read my post about boyfriend's baby's momma? Apartment complexes in metro areas are high crime sub-neighborhoods. You obviously don't live in a large metropolitan area.
Or else, by default, the Chicago area is a danger- and crime-ridden neck of the woods. Tom drives a cab. That apartment subdivision I talked about? He won't even pull in there. They sell drugs, have gangs, rob, assault, yeah, it's all there.
The sad fact is that I've probably interacted with CPD more frequently than you have.
Why is that sad? That makes absolutely no sense. You are using your own subjective fly-in fly-out experience as if it's expert testimony. It isn't. I live it every day. I read about it every day. Tom sees it every day.
Nice apartment buildings, well maintained, reasonably priced, can be hotbeds for crime.
As a Realtor, I'm here ta' tell you that even my clients know they don't want to live around large rental properties...like more than 2 or 3 sixflats on a block. Maybe you have to live here to understand/believe it. But 'tis true.
When is the last time you set foot in one of these high crime apartments, Maggie? I was in one last month. I worked in them daily for 8 years with the most violent client population.
HOTBEDS for crime? Prove it. I've seen hotbeds for crime, IN MANY CITIES, and they weren't well-maintained or nice. You're claiming that this is a normal level of crime for a single set of properties, and that these properties are also well-maintained and nice. What evidence do you have for this position, other than, "my husband drives a cab and sees things"?
Because those large rental properties, if not property managed by the landlord, can be very dangerous. IT ALL HINGES ON THE MANAGEMENT OF THOSE PROPERTIES, and their business/maintenance strategies. If Gray_Fox has had that level of criminal activity in his rental properties, I guarantee that Chicago PD considers him a problem landlord, which is exactly why he dislikes the cops so very much.
And, what response do you expect, exactly, to the fact that LEOs are #12 on the danger list? It's a facet of the job, but it's hardly the only reason for paying them like professionals. I've already addressed the salary issue with you, and you've ignored most of it because it doesn't fit into your prejudices.
I can't really help you with those.
You sure are all head up, Catz. There are absolutely no public statistics for apartment complexes, intentionally. The only way one might get information would be if one would stop in at the local police station and find a friendly officer to discuss. A taxi driver, btw, is one step below firefighters for dangerous occupations. ;-) If you won't accept my anecdotal evidence, why on earth would you expect me to accept yours?? I live here. I live six miles from the particular complex I'm referencing. I've been in it. I read the local papers. Don't what else to tell you. But let's just call you the expert and me the idiot so you can feel better about yourself.
Are you even reading Gray's posts? He doesn't own rental property in the city. He owns it in suburban Cook County. Unlike you, I never had the feeling he disliked cops "so much," but that he felt they weren't there for him. I think, from your posts, that you and I just live in two very different worlds. Management can't always handle demographics.
I've read consistently on this thread about how dangerous a copper's job is. I agree it can be dangerous. But it's quite clear it doesn't make the top 10. I have no prejudices about LEOs. I like 'em. Always been treated well by them. I think many of them are outstanding human beings. I simply have a keen interest in how my tax dollars are spent.
You don't have to, Catz. You'd be surprised how self-sufficient I am.
This is B.S., Maggie. Most police departments, including Chicago PD, have the capacity to map crimes on an extremely detailed level. LOOK. CLEARMAP Chicago Police Department Geographic Information System It took me 2 seconds to google it up for you.
For what it's worth, you and Gray were the ones who made the attacks directed at where I live, and what I know. First, you claimed that I lived in the south and knew nothing. Then you claimed that I was an in-and-out expert. Then you claimed that I was arrogant.
Alas. I am arrogant. But I also know what I know. And, I know Gray's claims, in this thread, are exaggerated. But hey, he can prove us wrong by using Chicago's online GIS system, at any point.
So, here's what I know...Based on crime data that I've worked with, a single apartment unit or landlord that experienced those levels of crime would show up as a hot spot in even the most violent areas of the U.S. You're talking Camden, NJ-level violence, with Camden being code word for the most concentrated high crime/small geographic area I've ever worked with (and Chicago ranks far below them in per capita violence).
You may know Chicago, and I don't doubt that, but there's a lot about Chicago that you clearly don't know (that your crime data is online and geographically mapped down to the street level, for instance).
Again with your assumptions about me. Gray owns rental property in suburban Cook County, but makes claims about an inordinate level of violence centralized in that location. I know what normal crime data looks like, even in an area with an intense gang problem. The levels that Gray describes aren't normal. Of course, Gray has offered zero proof of this level of crime actually occurring in and around his buildings, nor have you.
And, exceptional claims require exceptional evidence. Again, you've presented zero evidence.
The danger is part of the job, but it's a professional role requiring a considerable degree of maturity, common sense, and training. That's where the pay comes in. You've just created another strawman. Shockers.
Then demonstrate it. Why don't you start by searching for evidence to back up your claim that multiple violent crimes in a single location is normal for Cook County's suburban areas?
Want me to list of the crimes I have been involved as a landlord?
Assault
robbery
Armed robbery
Armed assault
Fraud
attacks by police officers
damage to private property numbering in the 1000s
attempted rape
attempted murder
loss of money because tenant would not pay
I could go on and on.
Maggie:
Gray reported a serious list of crimes, that ostensibly occurred on his property.
Here's Addison's entire crime counts for 2010.
http://www.addisonpoliceillinois.org/beat/pdf/IndexCrimes2010.pdf
There were only 16 robberies in the city of Addison for the entire year of 2010. There were only 33 aggravated assaults in that year. FOR THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY.
Gray reports both of these crimes ON HIS PROPERTY.
I agree...there are a lot of property crimes in Addison. But there aren't a lot of violent crimes, per capita. And, GRAY CLAIMED TO HAVE HAD A LARGE NUMBER OF VIOLENT CRIMES ON HIS PROPERTY.
You can say what you want, but his claims aren't believable...EVEN FOR A LARGE, VIOLENT URBAN AREA, it would be extraordinary to have that kind of clustering in a single area unless it were a slum.
Sorry. You may know a lot of stuff, Maggie, but you don't know what you're talking about here.
They experience a much higher crime rate than other neighborhoods in their same town. They are not slum lords.
Except their crime rate really isn't that high, Maggie. I've given you the data. Sixteen robberies in a year is extremely low for this type of area. Are you alleging, then, that a lot of unreported crime goes on there?
Maggie:
Gray reported a serious list of crimes, that ostensibly occurred on his property. Read them again:
Here's Addison's entire crime counts for 2010.
http://www.addisonpoliceillinois.org/beat/pdf/IndexCrimes2010.pdf
There were only 16 robberies in the city of Addison for the entire year of 2010. There were only 33 aggravated assaults in that year. FOR THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY.
Gray reports both assaults and aggravated assaults occurring on his property, along with robbery and "armed robbery" (aggravated assault). Beyond that, he reports assaults by police, attempted rape, and attempted murder (also known as aggravated assault).
.
Maggie:
Gray reported a serious list of crimes, that ostensibly occurred on his property. Read them again:
Here's Addison's entire crime counts for 2010.
http://www.addisonpoliceillinois.org/beat/pdf/IndexCrimes2010.pdf
There were only 16 robberies in the city of Addison for the entire year of 2010. There were only 33 aggravated assaults in that year. FOR THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY.
Gray reports both assaults and aggravated assaults occurring on his property, along with robbery and "armed robbery" (aggravated assault). Beyond that, he reports assaults by police, attempted rape, and attempted murder (also known as aggravated assault).
I'm sure it seems like there is a lot of crime in the suburbs of Chicago. You see reports on the news, and it appears to be a dangerous place to live. But in reality, the crime rate in Addison isn't that high. 16 robberies...in an entire year...is extraordinarily low. The number of burglaries in the community are also extrremely low.
I agree...there are a lot of property crimes in Addison. But there aren't a lot of violent crimes, per capita. And, GRAY CLAIMED TO HAVE HAD A LARGE NUMBER OF VIOLENT CRIMES ON HIS PROPERTY. You can say what you want, but his claims aren't believable...EVEN FOR A LARGE, VIOLENT URBAN AREA, it would be extraordinary to have that kind of clustering in a single area unless it were a slum.
Sorry. You may know a lot of stuff, Maggie, but you don't know what you're talking about here.
Do you know Gray in real life? IF not, how do you know his claims are accurate? The crime totals in Addison certainly don't support his claims.
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