The overwhelming majority do and for those that don't, there are legal means for reporting them for fine or imprisonment. A union cannot achieve anything in that regard that the individual employees cannot do on their own.
As for the second part, where did you ever get that stupid idea? Of course the employees are not equal to their employers. The employer, and I'm speaking specifically of small business owners who start companies from scratch, have all the risk in ensuring that the business is successful, they have put in their time, money and effort to something that, for the majority of small businesses, fail in the first year. To have that be successful, to be able to employ other people, to produce things that are valuable to the public, they certainly deserve a bigger portion of the reward based on the bigger portion of the risk they took.
What is beyond ridiculous is that you believe otherwise.
Define "wrongly". If they were discriminated against, say for their race or gender, there are certainly avenues that they can pursue that cost nothing, plus there are plenty of groups out there that will take the case pro bono if it's sufficiently grievous. Yes though, he's out of a job. Welcome to life.
But you turn around and take a union shop, especially when it's a big national union that has no stake in the health of the individual shop, which pushes for absurd wages and benefits, to the point that the company can not expand or improve or stay competitive, and in fact, goes out of business altogether. Then, you're absolutely wrong, the employer can claim all the same things because not only do they no longer have a job, they've probably lost their homes and all the things they mortgaged to the hilt to start the company in the first place.
There are all kinds of things that could define "wrongly." Your employer can give ANY reason for terminating employment.
No, define your terms. Wrongful termination only applies to certain specific legal applications. Just because you don't like being terminated doesn't make it wrongful.
Nobody owes you a job.
Nobody owes you a job, but why should they be able to terminate you because they want to hire their cousin?
IMO, employees deserve SOME kind of job security, if they're good employees of course, but that's not always how it works. You want to talk about greedy? Take a good hard look at a lot of general contractors in the construction business.
Nobody owes you a job, but why should they be able to terminate you because they want to hire their cousin?
Workers can organize for the exact same reasons. It's their labor so they can do what they want within the scope of the law.Because it's their business and they can do what they want, within the scope of the law
Nobody owes you a job, but why should they be able to terminate you because they want to hire their cousin?
There are all kinds of things that could define "wrongly." Your employer can give ANY reason for terminating employment.
Actually the union model is based around the old Aesop's Fable of the man teaching his son about the strength of a bundle of sticks.
Like Mo said, the same can be said of any company that isn't union-related.
Yeah. So are drug cartels. Simply "because unions are powerful" isn't a really good argument in their favor.
Workers can organize for the exact same reasons. It's their labor so they can do what they want within the scope of the law.
Just as many employers try to stop any talk of unionizing and, quite often, fire the would-be organizers.Absolutely. Unfortunately, one of the things they seek to do is to stop the employer from exercising their freedom to hire who they want.
Just as many employers try to stop any talk of unionizing and, quite often, fire the would-be organizers.
Threatening to fire me if I refuse to take a pay cut, deal with poorer working conditions, or any other thing where you have failed to hold to our original agreement is also blackmail.Because unions are a pain in the ass, hell, I'd do the same thing. As a business owner, you are trading your labor for a paycheck. Both of us are free to end this relationship at any time. You don't get to blackmail me into paying you more, just because you can threaten to shut down my business at any time. Don't like what I pay you? Go find another job.
Try again.
Boy did you miss the point of that. The point is the same as it was told by Aesop, an individual by themselves can be broken while in unity there is strength. And what you take from that is drug cartels. :roll: Amazing!!!!! :doh
Threatening to fire me if I refuse to take a pay cut, deal with poorer working conditions, or any other thing where you have failed to hold to our original agreement is also blackmail.
...The nation's unions lost 400,000 members in 2012 as the percentage of U.S. workers represented by a labor union fell to 11.3 percent, its lowest level since the 1930s...
Michigan accounted for about 10 percent of the nation's loss of unionized workers as the Wolverine State fell to the seventh most-unionized state, from fifth in 2011.
The Bureau of Labor Statistics said the biggest hit was in public sector unions, where many states and cities have cut back on their unionized workforce.
Among public sector workers, 35.9 percent are in a union - down from 37.0 percent in 2011, as the public sector shed nearly 250,000 union workers.
The public sector union rate is more than five times higher than that of private-sector workers. In the private sector, 6.6 percent are unionized, down from 6.9 percent in 2011.
Union membership fell in 34 states....
My post was a response to someone who already made that claim. You should follow more closely.Really? What is threatening to quit if you don't get a pay raise?
A perfect example of what RabidAlpaca and I are talking about with business interference in government and it's effect on the economic landscape.Anywho, on this topic, Unions continue to demonstrate their level of general usefulness and competitiveness:
Union Membership Falls to 70 Year Lows
My post was a response to someone who already made that claim. You should follow more closely.
A perfect example of what RabidAlpaca and I are talking about with business interference in government and it's effect on the economic landscape.
I'm sure Cephus understood even if you didn't.Yeah except I looked back and didn't see your response to the question. Is it blackmail if I go to my boss and say "hey, company X is going to pay be Y to go work for them... and if you can't beat it, that's what I'm going to go do" ?
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