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How is abortion anyone's business or concern?

Gordy327

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Abortion is a medical procedure as well as a woman's personal choice, regardless of the reasons, and is a matter between herself and her doctor. Any medical procedure is a private matter and concern of the patient seeking or needing it. But some anti abortionists argue abortion is "everyone's concern." But why is that? No other medical procedure gets the visibility and scrutiny abortion does. No one cares much less knows if someone has some other medical procedure, elective or otherwise. Why is abortion different? Abortion does not affect anyone (other than the pregnant woman) or society in general. Neither has anyone been able to demonstrate otherwise. So how is abortion anyone else's business or concern?
 
How is abortion anyone's business or concern?
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1) When taxpayers' money is used at any point in the procedure.

2) When the person getting the abortion is a minor, it's her parent's or guardian's business to know about it.
 
It's not. And it's downright creepy, people trying to wedge themselves between women and their doctors and thinking their opinions need to be heard.
 
SkyChief said:
When taxpayers' money is used at any point in the procedure.
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It's not, per the Hyde Amendment. Even if it were, abortion is still much more cost effective and cheaper than taxpayers money going towards child rearing for those who have kids with limited resources. And what about those on Medicare or Medicaid? Those programs are supported with taxpayers money too. Do you support withholding care or procedures because of that too?
 
Grand Mal said:
Bullshit.
Private medical concerns between a woman and her doctor are never any of your business.
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This is 100% FALSE.

Un the U.S. we don't have taxation without representation. ALL American taxpayers have a right to know how our tax dollars are being spent.

It's the main reason our country was founded: the colonists demanded Taxation with representation.
 
Taxes is not the focus here. The question is how is abortion anyone else's business or concern? Abortion is generally paid out of pocket or possibly by insurance. Taxpayers coverage is a non issue.
 
What goes on between a woman and her doctor is none of your damned business. Period. Nothing you can say can justify you sticking your nose in where it doesn't belong.
And this issue has nothing to do with 'taxation without representation'. You obviously don't understand the concept, or even know what the words mean.
Mind your own business.
 
SkyChief said:
What a remarkably lame straw-man argument.
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No, it's right to the point. If taxpayer money should not be spent on a procedure you disapprove of, does that also apply to Emergency Room treatment of junkies?

SkyChief said:
My opinion on TANF is irrelevant - - we're not discussing TANF here.
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No, that also is relevant. Do you care for babies AFTER they're born, or only before?
 
Gordy327 said:
It's not, per the Hyde Amendment.
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That's not the point. You asked How is abortion anyone's business or concern?. I gave you two scenarios when it's rational for someone to be concerned about another person's abortion.
Gordy327 said:
Even if it were, abortion is still much more cost effective and cheaper than taxpayers money going towards child rearing for those who have kids with limited resources.
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Cost effectiveness is irrelevant. If a taxpayers' tax dollars are redistributed for abortions, then they have a right to know.
Gordy327 said:
And what about those on Medicare or Medicaid? Those programs are supported with taxpayers money too.
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That's a textbook Red herring argument. We're discussing abortion - not Medicare or Medicaid.

Gordy327 said:
Do you support withholding care or procedures because of that too?
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Off topic. Let's talk about abortion, and the cases when people need to be concerned.
Gordy327 said:
Taxes is not the focus here.
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It is now, apparently. You asked the question, and I gave you the answers. Taxes is one of answers.
Gordy327 said:
The question is how is abortion anyone else's business or concern?
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I understand the question perfectly. You don't like the answers because you mistakenly believed that there were no answers.
Gordy327 said:
Abortion is generally paid out of pocket or possibly by insurance. Taxpayers coverage is a non issue.
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Before the Hyde amendment it was.

Grand Mal said:
What goes on between a woman and her doctor is none of your damned business.
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100% FALSE. It's my business if my tax dollars are used to pay for it.
All American taxpayers have a right to know how our tax dollars are being spent.

Your flawed arguments are based on emotions and a profound lack of information.
 
Gordy327 said:
Taxes is not the focus here. The question is how is abortion anyone else's business or concern? Abortion is generally paid out of pocket or possibly by insurance. Taxpayers coverage is a non issue.
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I interpreted the comment is if a clinic is accepting any public funds, then they are inviting the scrutiny of the people providing those funds. Not the specific details between a doctor/patient but the operation of said clinic. If everything is private then obviously the taxpayer is out of the loop.
 
Gordy327 said:
Taxes is not the focus here. The question is how is abortion anyone else's business or concern? Abortion is generally paid out of pocket or possibly by insurance. Taxpayers coverage is a non issue.
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abortion terminates the possibility of human life in the form of a zygote/fetus
that living creature cannot speak for itself
and others feel the need to embrace its plight
they do not distinguish between viability and non-viability
they do not distinguish between desired eventual child and unwanted future child
and they do not weigh the interests of the woman who bears the prospective child against the potential child's interests
those others stop at the prospect of terminating possible life and proceed no further
they speak for the prospective child because that zygote/fetus cannot speak for itself
 

You have representatives in the government. LOL good lord. smh. My god they fail to grasp even the simplest of concepts.
 
justabubba said:
they speak for the prospective child because that zygote/fetus cannot speak for itself
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Right.

It cant speak for itself, it cant think for itself, it cant breathe for itself, it cant do a darn thing for itself, because it isnt a sentient being separate from the mother.
 
SkyChief said:
It's the main reason our country was founded: the colonists demanded Taxation with representation.
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Never more than implied in the Constitution, until the 17th Amendment killed it stone dead.
 
justabubba said:
abortion terminates the possibility of human life in the form of a zygote/fetus
that living creature cannot speak for itself
and others feel the need to embrace its plight
they do not distinguish between viability and non-viability
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Which is sanctimonious arrogance.
justabubba said:
they do not distinguish between desired eventual child and unwanted future child
and they do not weigh the interests of the woman who bears the prospective child against the potential child's interests
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In other words, they dont care about the pregnant woman and her circumstances.
justabubba said:
those others stop at the prospect of terminating possible life and proceed no further
they speak for the prospective child because that zygote/fetus cannot speak for itself
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Only the pregnant woman gets to speak for her ZEF.
 
PeacefulWarrior said:
Right.

It cant speak for itself, it cant think for itself, it cant breathe for itself, it cant do a darn thing for itself, because it isnt a sentient being separate from the mother.
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but absent abortion, chances are good that fetus/zygote would become a viable human
they speak out to give that prospect for human like, life
 
justabubba said:
but absent abortion, chances are good that fetus/zygote would become a viable human
they speak out to give that prospect for human like, life
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Chances are excellent that some sperm in my nutsack could one day "become a viable human". So what? Who cares? They certainly arent "viable humans" right now are they?
 
Gordy327 said:
Which is sanctimonious arrogance.
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that reply causes me to believe you did not want an honest answer to your question
but prove me wrong and explain what causes my response to be found sanctimonious
Gordy327 said:
In other words, they dont care about the pregnant woman and her circumstances.
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while they may have concern about the desires of the impregnated woman, they seem to give greater weight to the preservation of human life
much like being against capital punishment. despite that the punished may be deserving of extreme punishment, they want to preserve life
Gordy327 said:
Only the pregnant woman gets to speak for her ZEF.
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there are six supreme court justices who disagree with your statement
 
SkyChief said:
That's not the point. You asked How is abortion anyone's business or concern?. I gave you two scenarios when it's rational for someone to be concerned about another person's abortion.
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And those have been addressed.
SkyChief said:
Cost effectiveness is irrelevant. If a taxpayers' tax dollars are redistributed for abortions, then they have a right to know.
That's a textbook Red herring argument. We're discussing abortion - not Medicare or Medicaid.
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You're bringing up taxpayer money going to medical procedures, right? Do you include that standard to ALL medical procedures, or only to abortion?
SkyChief said:
Off topic. Let's talk about abortion, and the cases when people need to be concerned.
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Be my guest.
SkyChief said:
It is now, apparently. You asked the question, and I gave you the answers. Taxes is one of answers.
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Im a taxpayer and abortion doesnt concern me nor is my business. Just because we pay taxes doesnt mean we get to dictate how tax money is spent. I already referenced the Hyde Amendment too, which explicity prohibits tax money going towards abortion except under specific circumstances.
SkyChief said:
I understand the question perfectly. You don't like the answers because you mistakenly believed that there were no answers.
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wrong. Your answers generally do not apply, except more on fringe cases.
SkyChief said:
Before the Hyde amendment it was.
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it still is.
SkyChief said:
100% FALSE. It's my business if my tax dollars are used to pay for it.
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Good luck dictating that to the government. Or determining if your specific tax payment is going towards abortion, which it likely is not.
SkyChief said:
All American taxpayers have a right to know how our tax dollars are being spent.
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Which is easy enough to reference. That doesn't mean we get to dictate who can
SkyChief said:
Your flawed arguments are based on emotions and a profound lack of information.
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Oh the irony of that statement.
 
PeacefulWarrior said:
You have representatives in the government. LOL good lord. smh. My god they fail to grasp even the simplest of concepts.
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Another nonsensical argument. Of course there are representatives in the government. It's called the House of Representatives.

If American taxpayers didn't have a right to know that our tax dollars were being spent on abortions, then there would not have been any need for the Hyde Amendment.

The Hyde Amendment is proof that many Americans do not want our tax dollars spent for abortions.
 
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