If Johnson and Stein weren't in the race, it's also possible many of their supporters may have stayed home. But if about half of Johnson's supporters would have voted for Clinton over Trump, and if most of Stein's supporters broke for the Democrats, the electoral map would have been decidedly different.
A lot of johnson's support was from nevertrump conservatives anyway.How Gary Johnson and Jill Stein helped elect Donald Trump - CNNPolitics.com
So this has been an election of excuses around the board. But the whining, the crying, the carrying on by some on the left, the riots and the assaults....good lord. And here's another bit of the "it's everyone's fault but mine" argument I've been seeing going around much more prevalently than I have seen in the past. People are starting to lash out at the very limited few of us who voted for third party. I mean, I think Johnson got like 3% of the popular vote, but it's 3rd parties fault that Hillary lost.
It's not. Hillary lost against a powderpuff candidate because she ran a **** campaign, because she had serious character and credibility issues with America, because she didn't do a good enough job. She lost because she failed. End of story. Everything was set up for her win, so I understand why some people are so upset about her loss. How could she, when the system was a perfect storm of events that seemed to be selecting her as next president? Because she f'd up. She didn't connect with the voters and States she needed to in order to win.
So with all this crying and finger pointing going around, now I'm starting to see this backlash against the third parties. We're told how insignificant we are and how we're throwing votes away all up until the point that we made your candidate lose. Piss off. If you wanted my vote, you have to put up a good candidate, one I can support; else I will vote third party. The failure isn't because people voted third party, it was because Hillary couldn't capture the votes.
And if we're just going to lash out at groups, how about the neigh half of eligible voters who didn't vote. Could have pulled from there, but didn't.
Well said Ikari. I would also like to point out that Gary Johnson was a ****ing garbage candidate and he still got 3% of the vote. It wasn't Ralph Nader's fault Gore lost. It's not Johnson/Stein's fault Hillary lost. In fact the Libertarian Party VP, Bill Weld, actually campaigned on behalf of Hillary in the final days. The Dems are completely incapable of doing any sort of internal soul searching. It's obvious that they're pulling the same tired "blame third parties" excuse that the pulled after Gore lost and easily winnable campaign.How Gary Johnson and Jill Stein helped elect Donald Trump - CNNPolitics.com
So this has been an election of excuses around the board. But the whining, the crying, the carrying on by some on the left, the riots and the assaults....good lord. And here's another bit of the "it's everyone's fault but mine" argument I've been seeing going around much more prevalently than I have seen in the past. People are starting to lash out at the very limited few of us who voted for third party. I mean, I think Johnson got like 3% of the popular vote, but it's 3rd parties fault that Hillary lost.
It's not. Hillary lost against a powederpuff candidate because she ran a **** campaign, because she had serious character and credibility issues with America, because she didn't do a good enough job. She lost because she failed. End of story. Everything was set up for her win, so I understand why some people are so upset about her loss. How could she, when the system was a perfect storm of events that seemed to be selecting her as next president? Because she f'd up. She didn't connect with the voters and States she needed to in order to win.
So with all this crying and finger pointing going around, now I'm starting to see this backlash against the third parties. We're told how insignificant we are and how we're throwing votes away all up until the point that we made your candidate lose. Piss off. If you wanted my vote, you have to put up a good candidate, one I can support; else I will vote third party. The failure isn't because people voted third party, it was because Hillary couldn't capture the votes.
And if we're just going to lash out at groups, how about the neigh half of eligible voters who didn't vote. Could have pulled from there, but didn't.
How Gary Johnson and Jill Stein helped elect Donald Trump - CNNPolitics.com
So this has been an election of excuses around the board. But the whining, the crying, the carrying on by some on the left, the riots and the assaults....good lord. And here's another bit of the "it's everyone's fault but mine" argument I've been seeing going around much more prevalently than I have seen in the past. People are starting to lash out at the very limited few of us who voted for third party. I mean, I think Johnson got like 3% of the popular vote, but it's 3rd parties fault that Hillary lost.
It's not. Hillary lost against a powderpuff candidate because she ran a **** campaign, because she had serious character and credibility issues with America, because she didn't do a good enough job. She lost because she failed. End of story. Everything was set up for her win, so I understand why some people are so upset about her loss. How could she, when the system was a perfect storm of events that seemed to be selecting her as next president? Because she f'd up. She didn't connect with the voters and States she needed to in order to win.
So with all this crying and finger pointing going around, now I'm starting to see this backlash against the third parties. We're told how insignificant we are and how we're throwing votes away all up until the point that we made your candidate lose. Piss off. If you wanted my vote, you have to put up a good candidate, one I can support; else I will vote third party. The failure isn't because people voted third party, it was because Hillary couldn't capture the votes.
And if we're just going to lash out at groups, how about the neigh half of eligible voters who didn't vote. Could have pulled from there, but didn't.
Clinton's defeat is the fault of all on the left. It's the fault of the DNC, the Clintons, Bernie's cultists, progressives' louts, the Green Party, the whole bunch.
How Gary Johnson and Jill Stein helped elect Donald Trump - CNNPolitics.com
So this has been an election of excuses around the board. But the whining, the crying, the carrying on by some on the left, the riots and the assaults....good lord. And here's another bit of the "it's everyone's fault but mine" argument I've been seeing going around much more prevalently than I have seen in the past. People are starting to lash out at the very limited few of us who voted for third party. I mean, I think Johnson got like 3% of the popular vote, but it's 3rd parties fault that Hillary lost.
It's not. Hillary lost against a powderpuff candidate because she ran a **** campaign, because she had serious character and credibility issues with America, because she didn't do a good enough job. She lost because she failed. End of story. Everything was set up for her win, so I understand why some people are so upset about her loss. How could she, when the system was a perfect storm of events that seemed to be selecting her as next president? Because she f'd up. She didn't connect with the voters and States she needed to in order to win.
So with all this crying and finger pointing going around, now I'm starting to see this backlash against the third parties. We're told how insignificant we are and how we're throwing votes away all up until the point that we made your candidate lose. Piss off. If you wanted my vote, you have to put up a good candidate, one I can support; else I will vote third party. The failure isn't because people voted third party, it was because Hillary couldn't capture the votes.
And if we're just going to lash out at groups, how about the neigh half of eligible voters who didn't vote. Could have pulled from there, but didn't.
If that makes you feel better :shrug:
I heard a lot of echo chambers broke this season from over use, but some apparently still function.
I don't believe for one second that half of johnson's voters would have voted for hillary. No way.
Stein was so far behind she is irrelevant.
I certainly wouldn't have voted for Hillary. But then again I certainly wouldn't have voted for Trump. These are some of the reasons I voted for Johnson.
It's just...damn, I have never seen such a pity party at a political loss before this. People are going crazy, people are making stupid arguments, people are rioting and burning and assaulting people. Because their candidate lost. This is America, we have over 200 years of peaceful turnover of power. I don't like Trump, I think he's going to be an embarrassment, but he won and we have to deal with that. If you don't like that you lost, figure out why you lost and correct that for next time. That's how it's supposed to work. But now I see people calling third party supporters stupid and lashing out because they think that if we didn't vote third party, we would have voted Hillary and she would have won.
She would have won if she ran a good campaign. Everything was in her advantage and she blew it. So enough with the crying and the violence. Man up, sally forth. We survived Bush, we survived Obama, we can survive Trump and if you don't like him, make sure a better candidate challenges him in 4 years.
How Gary Johnson and Jill Stein helped elect Donald Trump - CNNPolitics.com
So this has been an election of excuses around the board. But the whining, the crying, the carrying on by some on the left, the riots and the assaults....good lord. And here's another bit of the "it's everyone's fault but mine" argument I've been seeing going around much more prevalently than I have seen in the past. People are starting to lash out at the very limited few of us who voted for third party. I mean, I think Johnson got like 3% of the popular vote, but it's 3rd parties fault that Hillary lost.
It's not. Hillary lost against a powderpuff candidate because she ran a **** campaign, because she had serious character and credibility issues with America, because she didn't do a good enough job. She lost because she failed. End of story. Everything was set up for her win, so I understand why some people are so upset about her loss. How could she, when the system was a perfect storm of events that seemed to be selecting her as next president? Because she f'd up. She didn't connect with the voters and States she needed to in order to win.
So with all this crying and finger pointing going around, now I'm starting to see this backlash against the third parties. We're told how insignificant we are and how we're throwing votes away all up until the point that we made your candidate lose. Piss off. If you wanted my vote, you have to put up a good candidate, one I can support; else I will vote third party. The failure isn't because people voted third party, it was because Hillary couldn't capture the votes.
And if we're just going to lash out at groups, how about the neigh half of eligible voters who didn't vote. Could have pulled from there, but didn't.
how often do we hear people say it on THIS site...Libertarians are really just a bunch of greedy conservatives. right? So...THEY would have voted for Hillary if not for Johnson?
Hillary lost for the exact reason I said she would 2 years ago. She sucks as a candidate. Her own supporters...only a handful REALLY wanted her. She lost ground with the black vote and with the latino voters but most importantly...47% of the country were so repulsed they didnt even bother voting.
How Gary Johnson and Jill Stein helped elect Donald Trump - CNNPolitics.com
So this has been an election of excuses around the board. But the whining, the crying, the carrying on by some on the left, the riots and the assaults....good lord. And here's another bit of the "it's everyone's fault but mine" argument I've been seeing going around much more prevalently than I have seen in the past. People are starting to lash out at the very limited few of us who voted for third party. I mean, I think Johnson got like 3% of the popular vote, but it's 3rd parties fault that Hillary lost.
It's not. Hillary lost against a powderpuff candidate because she ran a **** campaign, because she had serious character and credibility issues with America, because she didn't do a good enough job. She lost because she failed. End of story. Everything was set up for her win, so I understand why some people are so upset about her loss. How could she, when the system was a perfect storm of events that seemed to be selecting her as next president? Because she f'd up. She didn't connect with the voters and States she needed to in order to win.
So with all this crying and finger pointing going around, now I'm starting to see this backlash against the third parties. We're told how insignificant we are and how we're throwing votes away all up until the point that we made your candidate lose. Piss off. If you wanted my vote, you have to put up a good candidate, one I can support; else I will vote third party. The failure isn't because people voted third party, it was because Hillary couldn't capture the votes.
And if we're just going to lash out at groups, how about the neigh half of eligible voters who didn't vote. Could have pulled from there, but didn't.
How Gary Johnson and Jill Stein helped elect Donald Trump - CNNPolitics.com
So this has been an election of excuses around the board. But the whining, the crying, the carrying on by some on the left, the riots and the assaults....good lord. And here's another bit of the "it's everyone's fault but mine" argument I've been seeing going around much more prevalently than I have seen in the past. People are starting to lash out at the very limited few of us who voted for third party. I mean, I think Johnson got like 3% of the popular vote, but it's 3rd parties fault that Hillary lost.
It's not. Hillary lost against a powderpuff candidate because she ran a **** campaign, because she had serious character and credibility issues with America, because she didn't do a good enough job. She lost because she failed. End of story. Everything was set up for her win, so I understand why some people are so upset about her loss. How could she, when the system was a perfect storm of events that seemed to be selecting her as next president? Because she f'd up. She didn't connect with the voters and States she needed to in order to win.
So with all this crying and finger pointing going around, now I'm starting to see this backlash against the third parties. We're told how insignificant we are and how we're throwing votes away all up until the point that we made your candidate lose. Piss off. If you wanted my vote, you have to put up a good candidate, one I can support; else I will vote third party. The failure isn't because people voted third party, it was because Hillary couldn't capture the votes.
And if we're just going to lash out at groups, how about the neigh half of eligible voters who didn't vote. Could have pulled from there, but didn't.
You are right that Clinton really messed herself. But it is also true that 3% of the vote would have pushed her over 50%
I kinda wonder if leftists will ever figure out that average Americans see and are pissed off by 'news' organizations as propaganda arms of the party. I wonder if they will recognize that MOST Americans arent as enamored by celebrities and celebrity endorsements as they are and in fact we are kinda turned off by it. I wonder if they will ever get that when you label people based on YOUR OWN personal bias and bigotry, all you do is turn allies or at least casual acquaintances into enemies.This was her election to lose, and she lost it. Plain and simple. It wasn't hate, it wasn't misogyny, it wasn't third parties. The deck was stacked in her favor and she lost because she was a bad candidate with a terrible campaign. People just want to point fingers and say the other guy did it, they don't want to own up to the simple truth. Hillary was a bad candidate, she had terrible character and trustworthiness problems, she couldn't bring people together, she couldn't energize her base, she couldn't pull the votes. A bad candidate with a bad campaign, and it was so bad that Trump actually won. It's the fault of the DNC and the Hillary campaign, no one else.
I kinda wonder if leftists will ever figure out that average Americans see and are pissed off by 'news' organizations as propaganda arms of the party. I wonder if they will recognize that MOST Americans arent as enamored by celebrities and celebrity endorsements as they are and in fact we are kinda turned off by it. I wonder if they will ever get that when you label people based on YOUR OWN personal bias and bigotry, all you do is turn allies or at least casual acquaintances into enemies.
A lot of johnson's support was from nevertrump conservatives anyway.
Only if all those 3% still voted if they hadn't voted for Johnson, and that they all voted for Hillary over Trump. Some pretty strong assumptions.
I guess, we will never know. That they would not have voted for Trump, seems rather probable.
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