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How Conservatives Co-Opted Christianity

CLAX1911 said:
The predominant mistake made in this video is that kindness and charity are a government function. They aren't. If anything governments interferes and destroys and such things.
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The need for charity is a failure of capitalism -- certainly within a capitalist nation. Homelessness and poverty are largely decision a society makes. Studies have shown that a UBI (universal basic income) would greatly reduced poverty, homelessness, and give the worker more bargaining power to leverage for higher wages (since many of their basic needs are already met). This is antithetical to capitalism, which requires a permanent underclass of struggling people.
 
Logicman said:
Two things you're evidently unaware of:

1. RINO's are not conservatives.
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Is Liz Cheney a conservative? Her voting record for the conservative policy agenda is much higher than her Trumpian critics.
 
Dans La Lune said:
The need for charity is a failure of capitalism
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Absence of charity is a failure of socialism.
Dans La Lune said:
-- certainly within a capitalist nation. Homelessness and poverty are largely decision a society makes.
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With socialism it's a fact of life.
Dans La Lune said:
Studies have shown that a UBI (universal basic income) would greatly reduced poverty, homelessness, and give the worker more bargaining power to leverage for higher wages (since many of their basic needs are already met).
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It would just make the dollar less valuable
Dans La Lune said:
This is antithetical to capitalism, which requires a permanent underclass of struggling people.
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These would typically be the people entering the job field. If you stay in entry level career entire life you don't need charity you don't need Ubi we need to kick in your ass.
 
CLAX1911 said:
Absence of charity is a failure of socialism.
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If you don't need charity, because everyone has the essentials of life, then I don't see the issue. In which case, absence of charity would be a success of socialism.

CLAX1911 said:
With socialism it's a fact of life.
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Homelessness in Finland - Wikipedia

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CLAX1911 said:
It would just make the dollar less valuable
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Price controls and regulations would take care of that. Under the current system, farmers dispose of countless tons of food and resources JUST to maintain a commercial demand -- not only causing wasted resources that could be use to feed the needy, but also causing untold environmental damage.

CLAX1911 said:
These would typically be the people entering the job field. If you stay in entry level career entire life you don't need charity you don't need Ubi we need to kick in your ass.
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^^

Sabotage education, sabotage healthcare, make people desperate enough to take minimum wage jobs and STILL require government assistance just to survive in this Late Stage Capitalist Hellscape. Meanwhile the profits float to the top.

And people wonder why many others are miserable enough to turn to fascism.
 
CLAX1911 said:
She was.

She ****ed herself out of that didn't she?
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So is she a conservative or not? Does rebelling against Dear Leader make you not a conservative?
 
Dans La Lune said:
If you don't need charity,
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Yeah because of genocide or famine that seems to be a fundamental component of socialism.
Dans La Lune said:
because everyone has the essentials of life,
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Unless there is a famine another characteristic that seems to be a fundamental component of social
Dans La Lune said:
then I don't see the issue. In which case, absence of charity would be a success of socialism.
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Except it's a pox on humanity and killed 110 million people in a single century.
Dans La Lune said:

Homelessness in Finland - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org
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Finland is capitalist. Venezuela is socialist and they're having slaughter zoo animals so as not to starve to death.

I don't know why you aren't taught the failure that you're trying desperately to make.
 
Posted on another thread, Trump has been target marketing to the christian right at least twenty years, self promotion is the common thread.

post said:
More tentacles than an octopus, all in the business of marketing to the poorly educated...
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CLAX1911 said:
Yeah because of genocide or famine that seems to be a fundamental component of socialism.
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Except it's not.

CLAX1911 said:
Unless there is a famine another characteristic that seems to be a fundamental component of social
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Nope. And it's far more evil to have the resources but intentionally DESTROY THEM in order to create artificial demand. Which is the capitalist model.

CLAX1911 said:
Except it's a pox on humanity and killed 110 million people in a single century.
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Unfortunately, it's difficult to calculate the number of deaths caused by capitalism because eventually you run out of digits.

CLAX1911 said:
Finland is capitalist. Venezuela is socialist and they're having slaughter zoo animals so as not to starve to death.
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Finland:

- Universal Healthcare
- Universal Education
- Universal Housing
- 90% of employees Unionized
- Government owns 1/3rd national wealth.
- Happiest nation on Earth

CLAX1911 said:
I don't know why you aren't taught the failure that you're trying desperately to make.
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Would you support a nation with the qualities of Finland?
 
CLAX1911 said:
Currently not sure.

Joining leftists in their kangaroo court makes her a traitor.
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I'm not entirely surprised that you supported the January 6th insurrection.
 
Dans La Lune said:
Except it's not.
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110 million dead people in one century beg to differ **** them they just didn't get it right right
Dans La Lune said:
Nope. And it's far more evil to have the resources but intentionally DESTROY THEM in order to create artificial demand. Which is the capitalist model.
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The socialism model doesn't have anything without a capitalistic model to mooch off of
Dans La Lune said:
Unfortunately, it's difficult to calculate the number of deaths caused by capitalism because eventually you run out of digits.
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You can't really say trading something of value for something else of value causes any death. We can see genocide and totalitarian regimes as a result of socialism.
Dans La Lune said:
Finland:

- Universal Healthcare
- Universal Education
- Universal Housing
- 90% of employees Unionized
- Government owns 1/3rd national wealth.
- Happiest nation on Earth
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Why don't you live there? Are you a masochist?
Dans La Lune said:
Would you support a nation with the qualities of Finland?
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No
 
CLAX1911 said:
110 million dead people in one century beg to differ **** them they just didn't get it right right
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Capitalism is built on colonialism, slavery, and all that entails. Virtually every war is instigated by capitalism.

CLAX1911 said:
The socialism model doesn't have anything without a capitalistic model to mooch off of
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You're thinking of Libertarianism. No body overthrows Libertarian governments because they can't exist in this space-time continuum. They do overthrow Socialist Governments, because they work.

CLAX1911 said:
You can't really say trading something of value for something else of value causes any death. We can see genocide and totalitarian regimes as a result of socialism.
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Of course it capitalism causes deaths. What do you think the Middle East wars were all about? The Coups in Latin America? Toppling governments and installing dictators to extract resources to fuel capitalism.

By the way, barter is NOT capitalism. It is not trading someone of value for equal value. Capitalism is a system of exploiting labor to create wealth. Thus, if someone works for $10 / hour, but is worth $75 / hour, the capital is pocketed by the capitalist. That's how the system works, is designed to work and will continue to work until the end of time.

Socialism seeks to eliminate PRIVATE ownership and restore PERSONAL ownership.


CLAX1911 said:
Why don't you live there? Are you a masochist?
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Why didn't conservatives leave after the New Deal?

CLAX1911 said:
No
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Too socialist for you?
 
Dans La Lune said:
Is Liz Cheney a conservative? Her voting record for the conservative policy agenda is much higher than her Trumpian critics.
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She might have been at one time but not anymore. Her J6 Committee was unAmerican for not allowing Trump a defense or counter to their claims.

Republicans have voted her out.
 
devildavid said:
So Jesus commands to help the poor are just suggestions?
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they are instructions on a persoanl basis -
not by the state. Jesus also said "render unto Caeser what is Caeser's and to God which is God's -separate fealty
 
Logicman said:
Last I saw Chili was a market-oriented economy which a mixture of government and PRIVATE ownership.

Any attempt at full socialism in Chili failed years ago.
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....because the US destroyed their democracy by backing a military coup, leading to over a decade of mass murder.
 
Tigerace117 said:
....because the US destroyed their democracy by backing a military coup, leading to over a decade of mass murder.
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You mean the socialists were inept at defending their country?
 
Logicman said:
You mean the socialists were inept at defending their country?
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I’m saying their dedication to democracy left them ill prepared for the US and co’s coup attempt.

Duh.
 
Tigerace117 said:
I’m saying their dedication to democracy left them ill prepared for the US and co’s coup attempt.

Duh.
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Salvador Allende was a socialist and a MARXIST. After Cuba the Western Hemisphere didn't need any more of those clowns.
 
Logicman said:
Salvador Allende was a socialist and a MARXIST. After Cuba the Western Hemisphere didn't need any more of those clowns.
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There is no evidence whatsoever to suggest Allende had any interest in putting an end to Chile’s democracy.
 
Logicman said:
Salvador Allende was a socialist and a MARXIST. After Cuba the Western Hemisphere didn't need any more of those clowns.
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If you can't beat a competing ideology on an even playing field, then destroy it -- if necessary, through CIA backed Rape and Death Squads.
 
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