jr602az
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How Can We Help Drug Addicts & Users?
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Leave em alone as it is none of your biz what they do and I think drug test should only be issued based on if your job puts others at risk. Example of course test bus drivers but leave the factory worker who is simply packing a hat into a box alone.
Employers should be able to drug-test their employers for whatever reason they want. Don't like it, don't take the job.
Employers should be able to drug-test their employers for whatever reason they want. Don't like it, don't take the job.
Poor me, poor me, pour me another drink.
Private Employers? Maybe. Others? Not so much. I feel it is a tread on civil rights.
Sounds a little big brother/big government.
Why should an employer have any business knowing the private lives of an employee as long as it doesn't affect their job?
Base employment of job performance, not on big brother snooping into private lives.
Letting business owners run their company is big government...:roll:
It's called private property rights.
If you don't like it, work somewhere else. More liberty means more personal responsibility, but I guess some people don't like that...
Yes....allowing businesses to essentially spy on the private lives of people is big brother and big government.
You want to couch it into an argument that a business should be able to do whatever they want.
Sorry....not as long as they want to do business in the United States. We have laws that say that employers cannot discriminate, have to comply with employment laws...
...and we have something called the US Constitution that businesses have to comply with as well.
Let job performance dictate the companies decisions. They have no right to be involved in the personal lives of their workers. Maybe in China...but not in America.
Sounds a little big brother/big government.
Why should an employer have any business knowing the private lives of an employee as long as it doesn't affect their job?
Base employment of job performance, not on big brother snooping into private lives.
Yes....allowing businesses to essentially spy on the private lives of people is big brother and big government.
You want to couch it into an argument that a business should be able to do whatever they want.
Sorry....not as long as they want to do business in the United States. We have laws that say that employers cannot discriminate, have to comply with employment laws and we have something called the US Constitution that businesses have to comply with as well.
Let job performance dictate the companies decisions. They have no right to be involved in the personal lives of their workers. Maybe in China...but not in America.
Speaking As a drug addict myself, I can state to a certainty that the only one who can help a drug addict is the drug addict.
Why would I say that I am a drug addict, when I haven't used drugs in 25 years? Because I know what I am. I will be a drug addict until the day I die. I just choose not to take drugs. Until I realized this fact, any amount of "help" would have been wasted on me. It was up to me to quit using drugs, not others, and certainly not the government. I feel no pity for those who are still strung out. They made a choice, and are now facing the consequences for that choice. If they so choose, they can also make another choice, and that is to quit using drugs. I am not Superman, so I know for a fact that, if I can choose not to take drugs, so can anyone else.
Same goes with alcoholics. Ever hear of this expression?
It is exactly the same with drug addicts. The first step in choosing not to take drugs is for the addict to rid himself or herself of self pity, and then, like the Nike commercial says, just do it. It isn't easy, but once the choice is made, it can be done. In my life, I have been addicted to heroin and cocaine. During that time, I have taken just about every drug there is to take. I also survived, and I did it out of choice, not for any other reason.
For those who say "Damn, Danarhea, you are a cold man in telling people they have to do something so hard". My response to that is "Who said that life is supposed to be easy"? You get out of life the effort you put into it. Effort is rewarding. No effort means that you are screwed, and there is nobody to blame but yourself, so either take the consequences or take the rewards. It is all up to you.
And with that said, I will now put on my flameproof suit and wait for the inevitable flames that will be coming my way.
I take it you are not and never have been nor likely ever WILL be an employer...
MOST (I never say all) employers care about their bottom line. They couldnt care less what their employees do off duty provided that while they are at work they are safe, respectful, and most importantly, professional. They invest a lot of money in hiring and training people (even places like call centers...it costs them a LOT of money to hire, train, prep employees).
Asking someone to pee in a cup is not the same thing as spying on their private lives. What's more, a private employer is not the government, which makes your reference to "big government" absurd and perplexing.
Either way, no one is forcing you to pee in the cup. If you don't want to pee in the cup, then you can just work somewhere else.
I never said that. I said business owners should be able to exercise their basic property rights, i.e., dispensing with their money and property as they see fit.
And the vast majority of those laws are infringements on private property rights.
And you say you're a lawyer!? You know the US Constitution is a restriction on government, not individuals, right? Maybe you're the one who needs to take a Con Law class, DD...
They have a right to impose preconditions on the dispensation of their money and the use of their property. If you do not find the preconditions of that dispensation favorable, then you can simply refuse the terms and find someone more inclined to dispense of their possessions in a manner consistent with your desires.
This is called individual liberty and personal responsibility. Nothing is guaranteed in this life except that it is entirely your's. Some people find this prospect frightening, so they require a nanny government to sooth and coddle them when reality does not conform to their infantile desires.
That's EXACTLY why I say let job performance dictate employment. If it effects your job then the employer should be able to terminate the employee.
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