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ptsdkid said:What sparked my interest in this liberal ideology is in noticing that many liberals on these political forums actually belong to or want to start an organization called the ‘LIBERAL ADMIRATION SOCIETY’. Even die-hard liberals got to be getting a chuckle over that title.
The obvious question is, What is there to admire about a liberal? In order for me to become a liberal I would have to think and act like one, leave common sense behind, leave pride and honor behind, have no recognizable agenda other than attacking Christians, our military, our foreign mission, successful Americans, corporations, our traditions, our laws, our religion, our Constitution, our flag, our integrity, and our institutions of higher learning etc.
So the overriding question here would be what attractive allure would there be for say a moderate, or an independent, or a confused conservative to want to join ranks as a 21st century liberal?
Could someone please give me a solid liberal belief system, or any solid liberal actions that actually made America stronger both economically and militarily? Give me/us the liberal ideology or plan that would keep America safer than it already is under conservative leadership from terrorism. Give me/us the liberal plan that would unite and bind the family unit together for a long time. Sorry, abortion tends to divide families, try something else. Give me the liberal religious network (even if it’s atheism) that would have a more people binding accomplishment than say Christianity would.
Tell me/us what the liberal substitute for competition would be in our free market system. Would the quota and affirmative Action plans come into play as a substitute for competition? Tell me/us how the voucher system would be bad as competition to our failing public school systems.
Is it the liberal agenda to do away with competition, create then harness class warfare, tax the rich/successful/achievers in our society, shackle and condemn corporations for giving the masses a job and healthy benefits, and to make it easier for society’s drop-outs and losers by enrolling them into every benefit we can squeeze out of an overly generous Uncle Sam?
I would appreciate some constructive liberal response here as I am literally sitting on the fence. I’m not totally happy, nor am I as rich as I would like to be as a Conservative.
If you think liberalism offers a better/easier and more fruitful lifestyle for me and my ever dependent family--then I sure would be grateful to those that can show me the light. I always had lived by Ronald Reagan’s motto of “pulling oneself up by their bootstraps”. I’m not too proud that I couldn’t change my ways where I might suckle the big government t*t for a while, but I would still need encouragement from a more informed liberal contingent first before taking the plunge. Thanks.
KidTim
Axismaster said:Liberals, blech! They have done nothing for this nation, in fact, their little do-gooder programs have always brought us down. If you are unsatisfied as a conservative though, you should give libertarianism a try.
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Kelzie said:Prove it. Prove that every single liberal program brought us down. You can start with public education for everyone, safe working environment and making child labor illegal.
Axismaster said:I never said every policy was bad for America.
Axismaster said:They have done nothing for this nation, in fact, their little do-gooder programs have always brought us down.
Kelzie said:What?!? Hello? Did you read this before you posted it?
It's like, four posts up. Now prove it or retract it.
Axismaster said:You guys always go back to things like child labor and minimum wage laws, which I support. I am only talking about the conspiracy to impose communism on America.
Kelzie said:Holy ****? You know about that? Who leaked it?!? God damn it, this ruins all the plans. We're gonna have to start Operation Tin Foil Hat immediately now. Ten years of planning, down the drain.
Axismaster said:Even a person as literal as me knows you are joking. Still, the left-wing establishment uses unsuspecting rank and file liberals like you to advance its radical, anti-American adgenda.
Axismaster said:Even a person as literal as me knows you are joking. Still, the left-wing establishment uses unsuspecting rank and file liberals like you to advance its radical, anti-American adgenda.
Engimo said:You're nuts, man. Why do you see a conspiracy and anti-Americanism when there is none?
tecoyah said:How can one become Liberal?
I am slowly finding myself associating with this label.....Primarily because of people like yourself....Thank You. By observing the opposite end of the spectrum in these forums (Neo-Con), I have been forced Further and further from the position I once held (republican) largely due to a need to distance myself from the intellectual Vacuum projected by those representing the conservative agenda.
The post above is an excellent example of this....you do not even realize the effect such blatant disrespect has on those who might agree with you on one issue or another. By acting the part of a baffoon....you make many wary of any association with you, and by extention those things you may stand for. Had you actually asked the question....instead of showing such poisoned disdain for a large portion of the population, you might have made someone listen...as it is, I would hope anyone with an IQ above 80 takes a step to the other side of this ripped apart political stage.
Keep going....you are doing us all a service.
ptsdkid said:****It's obvious you think I should stay with my conservative leanings, since you failed to give one liberal belief or action that had or would benefit our nation or us as Americans. Thanks anyway for your trouble.
KidTim
What do you mean 'one'? This is a liberal nation!Originally posted by ptsdkid
****It's obvious you think I should stay with my conservative leanings, since you failed to give one liberal belief or action that had or would benefit our nation or us as Americans. Thanks anyway for your trouble.
Engimo said:Didn't we go over this?
Child-labor laws. Worker Safety laws. Food cleanliness and safety laws. Consumer safety laws. FDIC insurance. Minimum wage laws. Medicare. Welfare. The list goes on.
ptsdkid said:****You didn't quite get specific with how bleeding the government (our taxes) dry for hand out programs like welfare and medicare has actually helped America to grow or to become stronger. No where in our Constitution does it say that we have to feed, clothe or give housing to the poor. That's where individual charity along with giving Christian networks come to the aid. Why put these hand out burdens on the hard working taxpayers of our land?
KidTim
Ain't that the truth!Originally posted by Kelzie:
I'm afraid the benefit of feeding the poor isn't something you can explain to someone who needs it explained to them.
ptsdkid said:What sparked my interest in this liberal ideology is in noticing that many liberals on these political forums actually belong to or want to start an organization called the ‘LIBERAL ADMIRATION SOCIETY’.
ptsdkid said:What sparked my interest in this liberal ideology is in noticing that many liberals on these political forums actually belong to or want to start an organization called the ‘LIBERAL ADMIRATION SOCIETY’. Even die-hard liberals got to be getting a chuckle over that title.
The obvious question is, What is there to admire about a liberal? In order for me to become a liberal I would have to think and act like one, leave common sense behind, leave pride and honor behind, have no recognizable agenda other than attacking Christians, our military, our foreign mission, successful Americans, corporations, our traditions, our laws, our religion, our Constitution, our flag, our integrity, and our institutions of higher learning etc.
So the overriding question here would be what attractive allure would there be for say a moderate, or an independent, or a confused conservative to want to join ranks as a 21st century liberal?
Could someone please give me a solid liberal belief system, or any solid liberal actions that actually made America stronger both economically and militarily? Give me/us the liberal ideology or plan that would keep America safer than it already is under conservative leadership from terrorism. Give me/us the liberal plan that would unite and bind the family unit together for a long time. Sorry, abortion tends to divide families, try something else. Give me the liberal religious network (even if it’s atheism) that would have a more people binding accomplishment than say Christianity would.
Tell me/us what the liberal substitute for competition would be in our free market system. Would the quota and affirmative Action plans come into play as a substitute for competition? Tell me/us how the voucher system would be bad as competition to our failing public school systems.
Is it the liberal agenda to do away with competition, create then harness class warfare, tax the rich/successful/achievers in our society, shackle and condemn corporations for giving the masses a job and healthy benefits, and to make it easier for society’s drop-outs and losers by enrolling them into every benefit we can squeeze out of an overly generous Uncle Sam?
I would appreciate some constructive liberal response here as I am literally sitting on the fence. I’m not totally happy, nor am I as rich as I would like to be as a Conservative.
If you think liberalism offers a better/easier and more fruitful lifestyle for me and my ever dependent family--then I sure would be grateful to those that can show me the light. I always had lived by Ronald Reagan’s motto of “pulling oneself up by their bootstraps”. I’m not too proud that I couldn’t change my ways where I might suckle the big government t*t for a while, but I would still need encouragement from a more informed liberal contingent first before taking the plunge. Thanks.
KidTim
Kelzie said:I'm afraid the benefit of feeding the poor isn't something you can explain to someone who needs it explained to them.
vergiss said:And yet, the handouts he lives on are okay. :roll:
ptsdkid said:What sparked my interest in this liberal ideology is in noticing that many liberals on these political forums actually belong to or want to start an organization called the ‘LIBERAL ADMIRATION SOCIETY’. Even die-hard liberals got to be getting a chuckle over that title.
The obvious question is, What is there to admire about a liberal? In order for me to become a liberal I would have to think and act like one, leave common sense behind, leave pride and honor behind, have no recognizable agenda other than attacking Christians, our military, our foreign mission, successful Americans, corporations, our traditions, our laws, our religion, our Constitution, our flag, our integrity, and our institutions of higher learning etc.
So the overriding question here would be what attractive allure would there be for say a moderate, or an independent, or a confused conservative to want to join ranks as a 21st century liberal?
Could someone please give me a solid liberal belief system, or any solid liberal actions that actually made America stronger both economically and militarily? Give me/us the liberal ideology or plan that would keep America safer than it already is under conservative leadership from terrorism. Give me/us the liberal plan that would unite and bind the family unit together for a long time. Sorry, abortion tends to divide families, try something else. Give me the liberal religious network (even if it’s atheism) that would have a more people binding accomplishment than say Christianity would.
Tell me/us what the liberal substitute for competition would be in our free market system. Would the quota and affirmative Action plans come into play as a substitute for competition? Tell me/us how the voucher system would be bad as competition to our failing public school systems.
Is it the liberal agenda to do away with competition, create then harness class warfare, tax the rich/successful/achievers in our society, shackle and condemn corporations for giving the masses a job and healthy benefits, and to make it easier for society’s drop-outs and losers by enrolling them into every benefit we can squeeze out of an overly generous Uncle Sam?
I would appreciate some constructive liberal response here as I am literally sitting on the fence. I’m not totally happy, nor am I as rich as I would like to be as a Conservative.
If you think liberalism offers a better/easier and more fruitful lifestyle for me and my ever dependent family--then I sure would be grateful to those that can show me the light. I always had lived by Ronald Reagan’s motto of “pulling oneself up by their bootstraps”. I’m not too proud that I couldn’t change my ways where I might suckle the big government t*t for a while, but I would still need encouragement from a more informed liberal contingent first before taking the plunge. Thanks.
KidTim
aps said:You know what's so pathetic about your post, ptsdkid? As I have stated previously, I work for the Dept. of Veterans Affairs, and I directly review claims for benefits that people like you submit. What's so interesting is that if you polled the people who grant the most benefits, I would bet that at least 75% of those people are LIBERALS. It is fascinating to see the conservatives DENY DENY DENY the benefits that some of our veterans seek. So do me a favor and take your $4000 a month from the government--tax free--and stick it where the sun don't shine.
In order for you to think like a liberal, you would need only one thing--A HEART.
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