How about we create a new constitution?

Toothpicvic · Dec 24, 2009

I'm wondering if we should scrap the original constitution and rewrite a new one - which would be exactly the same, the only difference being that it isn't dated in the 1700s and wasn't drafted by the founders. We'd still have the same constitutional law, but the "cult aura" that surrounds the Constitution and the founders wouldn't be here anymore - which would be a good thing, since the "Constitution cult" mentality that Americans have causes nothing but disruption and keeps politicians fighting over different interpretations of the constitution instead of using just plain common sense to get things done in this country.

apdst · Dec 24, 2009

Let's not and say we did. I don't trust none of those mother ****ers we have in office now to write a new constitution.

Skateguy · Dec 24, 2009

I like the Old one just fine---finest document ever written, to protect the Common Man. I'd fight for it any day---just let me finish my coffee first.:mrgreen:

Jerry · Dec 24, 2009

Toothpicvic said:
I'm wondering if we should scrap the original constitution and rewrite a new one - which would be exactly the same, the only difference being that it isn't dated in the 1700s and wasn't drafted by the founders. We'd still have the same constitutional law, but the "cult aura" that surrounds the Constitution and the founders wouldn't be here anymore - which would be a good thing, since the "Constitution cult" mentality that Americans have causes nothing but disruption and keeps politicians fighting over different interpretations of the constitution instead of using just plain common sense to get things done in this country.

Let's get a Conservative majority and President first, then sure :mrgreen:

Real Korimyr #9 · Dec 24, 2009

The 2nd Amendment would never be ratified today.

Ethereal · Dec 24, 2009

Toothpicvic said:
I'm wondering if we should scrap the original constitution and rewrite a new one - which would be exactly the same, the only difference being that it isn't dated in the 1700s and wasn't drafted by the founders. We'd still have the same constitutional law, but the "cult aura" that surrounds the Constitution and the founders wouldn't be here anymore - which would be a good thing, since the "Constitution cult" mentality that Americans have causes nothing but disruption and keeps politicians fighting over different interpretations of the constitution instead of using just plain common sense to get things done in this country.

The old one is fine.

Jerry · Dec 24, 2009

Amendment 1: Congress shall pass no law.

Areopagitican · Dec 24, 2009

Why would we create a 'new' Constitution?

How about we follow the one we have right now?

CriticalThought · Dec 24, 2009

Jerry said:
Let's get a Conservative majority and President first, then sure :mrgreen:

I don't feel like waiting until hell freezes over. :mrgreen:

Toothpicvic · Dec 24, 2009

Toothpicvic said:
I'm wondering if we should scrap the original constitution and rewrite a new one - which would be exactly the same, the only difference being that it isn't dated in the 1700s and wasn't drafted by the founders. We'd still have the same constitutional law, but the "cult aura" that surrounds the Constitution and the founders wouldn't be here anymore - which would be a good thing, since the "Constitution cult" mentality that Americans have causes nothing but disruption and keeps politicians fighting over different interpretations of the constitution instead of using just plain common sense to get things done in this country.

You totally missed the point of this thread.

samsmart · Dec 24, 2009

Toothpicvic said:
I'm wondering if we should scrap the original constitution and rewrite a new one - which would be exactly the same, the only difference being that it isn't dated in the 1700s and wasn't drafted by the founders. We'd still have the same constitutional law, but the "cult aura" that surrounds the Constitution and the founders wouldn't be here anymore - which would be a good thing, since the "Constitution cult" mentality that Americans have causes nothing but disruption and keeps politicians fighting over different interpretations of the constitution instead of using just plain common sense to get things done in this country.

No, because we'd still be arguing about the same issues that we do about the one we currently have.

Toothpicvic · Dec 24, 2009

samsmart said:
No, because we'd still be arguing about the same issues that we do about the one we currently have.

But hey, at least we wouldn't have a invisible monarch anymore who everyone worships and puts on the same level as the Pope (despite the fact that they know nothing about the true founders).

Constitution cultism has ruined the system that the founders intended. We might as well have gone with Hamilton and set up a European style monarchy if we're going to treat the Constitution like the Catholic catechism.

samsmart · Dec 24, 2009

Toothpicvic said:
But hey, at least we wouldn't have a invisible monarch anymore who everyone worships and puts on the same level as the Pope (despite the fact that they know nothing about the true founders).

Constitution cultism has ruined the system that the founders intended. We might as well have gone with Hamilton and set up a European style monarchy if we're going to treat the Constitution like the Catholic catechism.

And what makes you think the new constitution won't build up a cult of it's own?

oliveryty · Dec 25, 2009

The old is good.

We the people of the United States, in order to form a perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for common defence, secure prosperity and the blessings of liberty for ourselves and our prosterity, do ordain and establish this CONSTITUTION of the United States of America.

First Thought · Dec 25, 2009

Toothpicvic said:
You totally missed the point of this thread.

There's a point to this thread? I thought this was a joke.

Toothpicvic · Dec 25, 2009

EgoffTib said:
There's a point to this thread? I thought this was a joke.

That's because you lack critical thinking ability. :lol:

First Thought · Dec 25, 2009

Toothpicvic said:
That's because you lack critical thinking ability. :lol:

Yes, because I am the one proposing that we copy a document onto another piece of paper... Word for word. Brilliant strategy, sir. :doh

Toothpicvic · Dec 25, 2009

EgoffTib said:
Yes, because I am the one proposing that we copy a document onto another piece of paper... Word for word. Brilliant strategy, sir. :doh

Read my posts. I explained why. If the Constitution didn't have it's historical significance, then maybe people would actually read it and interpret it critically instead of treating it like a demigod (even though most self described "constitutionalists" I'm betting haven't even read more than a few sentences from it).

First Thought · Dec 25, 2009

Toothpicvic said:
Read my posts. I explained why.

I did. That does not change the fact that it is an asinine waste of time and resources. Not to mention that it doesn't accomplish anything. You're operating under the assumption that people won't still idolize the Founding Fathers, which is amusing.

Toothpicvic · Dec 25, 2009

EgoffTib said:
I did. That does not change the fact that it is an asinine waste of time and resources. Not to mention that it doesn't accomplish anything. You're operating under the assumption that people won't still idolize the Founding Fathers, which is amusing.

You're too narrow minded to discuss things with.

First Thought · Dec 25, 2009

Toothpicvic said:
You're too narrow minded to discuss things with.

...And you fail to actually address any points in my post. Not surprising. Let me know when you have data or facts to support your amusing notion that copying the Constitution word for word onto another sheet of paper is somehow going to make people not idolize the Framers.

spud_meister · Dec 25, 2009

Skateguy said:
I like the Old one just fine---finest document ever written, to protect the Common Man. I'd fight for it any day---just let me finish my coffee first.:mrgreen:

i dunno, i reckon The Cat in the Hat would take the cake on finest document ever.

samsmart · Dec 25, 2009

spud_meister said:
i dunno, i reckon The Cat in the Hat would take the cake on finest document ever.

I prefer "Green Eggs and Ham."

OxymoronP · Dec 25, 2009

Toothpicvic said:
I'm wondering if we should scrap the original constitution and rewrite a new one - which would be exactly the same, the only difference being that it isn't dated in the 1700s and wasn't drafted by the founders. We'd still have the same constitutional law, but the "cult aura" that surrounds the Constitution and the founders wouldn't be here anymore - which would be a good thing, since the "Constitution cult" mentality that Americans have causes nothing but disruption and keeps politicians fighting over different interpretations of the constitution instead of using just plain common sense to get things done in this country.

Yes lets have our corrupt, self indulgent, core of politicians write a new constitution, i am sure it would be better then what the Founding fathers did :3oops:. People like you know little about the history of the document or the people involved, they were true visioneries and people who valued nation over their personal interests. In what other country did the father of the nation step down from office, so that he would overshadow the Republic?

Toothpicvic · Dec 25, 2009

EgoffTib said:
...And you fail to actually address any points in my post.

You made no points, just opinions that were based on your lack of reading comprehension.

EgoffTib said:
Not surprising.

Yeah it's not surprising that you don't have the intellect to understand my point. Looks like you and half the other posters didn't even read my thread.

EgoffTib said:
Let me know when you have data or facts to support your amusing notion that copying the Constitution word for word onto another sheet of paper is somehow going to make people not idolize the Framers.

Let me know when you have the data and the facts that prove that spirits really exist (as opposed to LSD induced hallucinations ) I never claimed to have data and facts. It was a hypothesis (the only way to get said "data and facts" would be to test it, which I doubt will ever happen).

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