what part of 41 don't you understand?
lieberman and his friends have told you
the only way it can possibly pass is if lieberman is lying or changes his position
do you know lieberman?
He may not, but I will. When an industry is nationalized in a capitalist political economy, who owns the means of production?
Of course its Socialist. But who has ever heard of pure Capitalism? I for one havent.
Of course its Socialist. But who has ever heard of pure Capitalism? I for one havent.
So what about health care makes it so different from every other industry that you advocate socializing health care without advocating socializing every other industry?
I have yet to hear a reasonable answer to this.
Nobody is advocating socialized food, or socialized clothes, or socialized anything else. So why health care?
Great, now tell me why it is socialist when nationalization results in both the proletariat and the bourgeoisie owning the means of production?
I think the Democratic and Communist Parties should merge.Now the Democrats need to try and remove those Dems who voted no by withdrawing funds for them from party coffers and running more progressive people against them.
Could you name a few ineffective, untimely socialist medical systems?
„Welcher Patient geht leer aus?“
(Which patient is going to go empty handed?)
Eckhard Nagel transplant surgeon from the National Ethics Council explains the need to ration medical care
FOCUS: German health politicians will assert that full coverage of the population would remain with the forefront of medicine. In contrast, the National Ethics Council now proposes a new public debate about rationing. Is this really necessary?
Nagel: Announcements, for each treatment was at all times hochleistungsmedizinische feasible, I think is a dangerous suppression of reality. Rationing is part of everyday life in medicine and will increase in future (ZIMMER PERSONAL NOTE: in socialist systems). Even today, patients have to wait for important operations, because such are not enough seats for its intensive care are available. Also needs to be decided in transplantation medicine, which patient receives a saving institution and which no seats, and possibly died on the waiting list. This dilemma is considered too little.
FOCUS: Why has not held a public discussion about rationing?
Nagel: The allocation of limited health goods from cost factors is an extremely sensitive issue on which our society is ill prepared. Politicians have made the experience that she had rather inconvenient truth. Otherwise they run the risk of being punished as a bearer of bad news - for example at the ballot box. Despite everything, I believe it is their duty to clearly identify the problem situation, even if there is no easy way out of it visible.
FOCUS: Can we avoid the limited allocation, as we raise more money for the health system?
Nails: At the moment already. However, medical progress has no foreseeable limits. We are made in each case to the question of what we can afford. Is it even possible to provide all health goods as before to after the of equality? Or should the treatment after the budget of the patient, his age or his social embeddedness judge? Must pay an injured his therapy out of pocket if he caused the accident itself? Such scenarios have to respond, and that takes is an ethical debate.
FOCUS: Should 85-year-old fear that they will receive an artificial hip or heart valve?
Nagel: I think so. But of course, decisions on ethical dilemmas remain conflict is not enough. We must strive just to the best of all strategies. This decision process needs to be maximized transparent (ZIMMER PERSONAL NOTE: ROTFLMFAO). Only then will the people get the feeling that they are involved in the deliberations, even if they do not approve of (ZIMMER PERSONAL NOTE: ROTFLMFAO... THEY CANNOT COMPLAIN WHEN THEY ARE DEAD).
FOCUS: What do you fear, when politicians and citizens continue to ignore that rationing has to be?
Nagel: This can have fatal consequences, in which the patient - and we all suffer - unnecessarily sometime. As will be discussed today about the cost of health only in the short term and with slogans, emotional statement to the situation. This is an unfortunate way to kick start the discussion, because it causes anxiety. Citizens feel existentially delivered.
Eckhard Nagel, 46, a health scientist of the University of Bayreuth.
The Augsburg surgeon was appointed in 2001 in the National Ethics Council.
Medizin: „Welcher Patient geht leer aus?“ - News - FOCUS Online
I think the Democratic and Communist Parties should merge.
wait times are such a problem above the 49th, the provinces and central govt in ottawa have been forced to address them
the federal and provincial "Ten Year Plan to Strengthen Health Care" has, however, not been real effective
surf around within the links contained in the following, put up by the govt to allay the POLITICAL concerns of canadians concerning their coverage and care:
Canadian Wait Times Alliance Urges Speed in Reducing Health Care Wait Times in Canada
LOL
Canada, Germany, Finland, Sweden, England, France, Italy... and on and on...
... I know... I've lived half my life in the EU, and most of the countries listed, and you can add a few more... Lived... not visited.
Chew on the following for a while... and remember, the Germans are known for making things work... LOL
Medizin: „Welcher Patient geht leer aus?“ - News - FOCUS Online
google translator... I don't have the time...
Like I said... enjoy it suckers. Government is the only place you NEVER get what you paid for.
You get half as much, if lucky, and it costs twice the free market, AND it's slow... so slow it might be fatal in this instance.
Enjoy. :rofl
(I would put a smiley-face ass-****ing another smiley-face (in pain), but that set doesn't exist in our collection).
I am European, and i know what you say is largerly dishonest. Especially the crap about 7-8 year waiting lists.
Ive heard of cases where people have died on the waiting list, sure; but that happened under unforseeable medical circumstances, or they died waiting for a heart which was yet unavailible. Hell, there even harder to come by in private hospitals.
That translation was aweful. Find me English references if you want to, so i can be sure of its legitemacy too.
Reminds me of the joke about the Comm who gets a Lada in the good ol USSR.
At the end of the interview process he's TOLD the car will be here for pickup in 10-years... the guys asks... morning or evening... the KGB salesman says.. WHAT! It's in 10-years... the guy responds... I know, but the plumber is coming that morning!
Intesting this Euroapologist with the logo he has at the bottom of each post. You have zero credibility my friend, zero.I am European, and i know what you say is largerly dishonest. Especially the crap about 7-8 year waiting lists.
Ive heard of cases where people have died on the waiting list, sure; but that happened under unforseeable medical circumstances, or they died waiting for a heart which was yet unavailible. Hell, there even harder to come by in private hospitals.
That translation was aweful. Find me English references if you want to, so i can be sure of its legitemacy too.
Ive had surgery under the national health care system. It took me 4 months to recieve my treatment but i got it at the expense of no bills whatsoever. And my treatment wasnt in anyway related with my health. My grandpa who had a hole in his stomach got fixed with a camera which monitored the hole and recieved weekly top ups of blood. He recieved affordable medication to control the blood loss and 5 to 6 months in recieved the surgery to close the hole. He had a few months of monitoring after that (on and off appointments) and now he is fine. He is a retired man and doesnt have all the money in the world. It suits him just great and i know many other elderly Americans and young people who cannot afford the treatment will be grateful for the healthcare.
Its very rare, and even then, under medically unforeseeable circumstances. And in the NHS, if they feel they will not be able to obtain the neccessary resources to carry out your surgery, they will transfer you to another UHC hospital that can, or recommend you to a private facility.
Rimmer, most of your points are based on unfounded, sourceless fear mongering propaganda by the GOP.
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that's one of my favorite jokes from the 80's
here's another:
2 comrades waiting in long line to buy vodka
ivan: i can't take it anymore, i'm gonna go shoot that gorbachev
he comes back hours later, his comrade still in the same place
vlad: did you do it, did you shoot him?
ivan: nah, the line there was even longer
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Intesting this Euroapologist with the logo he has at the bottom of each post. You have zero credibility my friend, zero.
My signature shows the true nature of the EU for what it is. Why that would make me any less European or any less credible in the face of national health care is beyond me?
How the hell does support for UHC and its obvious successes in Canada and Europe make me a euroapologist?
1. You aren't too swift are you? If you do not believe the translation, run it through the translator yourself.
3. It is not that difficult to understand. But I see you just have comprehension difficulties.
4. I never specified wait lists, but they are years long, not days.
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