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Yeah, you can find another sucker to troll. Catch you later. :2wave:
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Here's a hint. Call it a pro tip if you like.Don't implicitly claim to have the moral high ground and then hike your dress over your head when others respond in kind.
Oh, so now I am a racist eh?....Good grief....how much did you pay for that indoctrination from Ward Churchill?
Logical fallacies will not help you in this argument...You think it is fine to murder over a million unborn children per year because it convenient to do so for all involved, and I think that is quite twisted....
It does take two....and yes the woman does have a tough job in carrying and delivering a child into the world....Does that mean that we should all just stand by and let the murder of the unborn go without so much as a whimper? Hell no.... But, it isn't me that will have to answer in the end to that...My conscience is clear.
Do you support comprehensive sex ed?
Do you support affordable and easily accessible birth control?
Yes, and yes...
However, I don't consider abortion "birth control"....
Good.
It can be, although it's certainly not preferable.
It can be only for the most cynical of us whom do moral pretzel logic to get there.
Why? A woman's judgment is not our business as males to legislate. You and I cannot really appreciate all that a woman goes through during pregnancy.
How many children do you have? My wife and I have two...I may not have carried a child, but I can certainly appreciate what a woman goes through, having been right there with her for both....You really shouldn't talk out of your arse knowing nothing about me....
House GOP drops controversial abortion bill ahead of Roe v. Wade anniversary | Fox News
My my my, those GOP members have been busy creating jobs bill after jobs bill, but managed to write legislation to overturn Roe v Wade,
then they decided to kill their own bill because they didn't want to offend female GOP members. Hypocrites.
What morons. :roll:
wasting taxpayer time money writing stupid bills, no wonder the congress has a low favorability rating.
Alright, let's find out if you really do want to decrease the number of abortions, or if I was right all along and you just want to control women's and girls' bodies:
Do you support comprehensive sex ed?
Do you support affordable and easily accessible birth control?
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But the reason that you leap upon the correlation between "women's financial independence" and "birthrate" is because you are assuming single-parenthood. If you want women to be well-supported in raising healthy children, the single best thing they can have is not cash, but a husband. Government performs miserably when it tries to take over the support (both financial and social) that a successful family and social network provide.
I agree that 2 parent stable families are very important.
You dont value 'life.' You value life selectively. So do I but at least I admit it. You do not value women's lives. It's plain as day^^^^.
You post is full of ignorance. But it makes plain what you think of women. And it's mostly wrong when it comes to abortion. BIrth control fails, so women should just never have sex? Yeah, men and women have sex and that isnt going to change...hasnt for millenia. So you would deny women enjoying sex? Disrespect. You dont care what happens to their lives, disrespect. You'd have millions of married couples that cant afford a kid, cant afford more kids, or never want kids to never have sex? Ludicrous.
Do I place women above the unborn? Of course. Do I think the unborn are unimportant? No but women are more important. They are here, contributing to society while the unborn are not and may not survive to be born or might be born severely defective.
Which one of those sounds logical and in the best interests of the individual and society? Placing women first. It's insulting to compare various undeveloped human stages to a complete woman just because you choose to judge her behavior.(Incorrectly for the most part as I pointed out.)
Like I said, there's been no harm to society by abortion, but the benefits are well-known.
Rationalize as you please, but abortion does harm society. It devalues human life itself, and this is a slippery slope...why stop with killing the unborn? Why not the terribly inconvenient as well as the imperfect and those who are old and no longer "contributing"?
I agree that 2 parent stable families are very important.
Many pro life people fail to see that by pushing women/ girls to continue unwanted pregnancies they are encouraging women to become single mothers.
In the US marriage is usually delayed in today's world unlike in the not so distant past.
Many young people are going to college or focusing on careers before even thinking about children or marriage.
Since the sex drive is very strong in the teens and twenty's and abstinence is unrealistic , and most birth control is not goof proof unwanted pregnancies might happen which means the girl/ woman has one of two choices; have an abortion or have a baby.
Most single moms stay single moms and many end up on welfare.
Those who have abortions and delay motherhood may very well get married later and start families.
We have to be realistic and know that is what happens.
If we want the future generations to have two parent families we have to understand that sometimes some of those girls/ women just might have had an early abortion before they marry and raise a family.
As I have mentioned earlier, I feel that with the new virtually goof proof long term birth control , there will be fewer and fewer unwanted pregnancies and abortions.
To me long term birth control is the hope for more stable two parent families in the future.
That's not true at all Minnie...As a father of two, one girl, and one boy, whom are now grown, and going through school, I told both of them the same thing...And that is the same thing my father and mother drilled into me and my sister...That the act of sex will result in creating a child, and that their dreams, and their goals in life stop at that moment. That when they make the decision to have sex, they at that moment they are making a decision to alter their life's path....And that their mother and I don't condone killing the child so that they can indulge in the act care free....Luckily they are finishing up their schooling path, and getting ready to start their careers...
That's right, and therefore they should focus on them, and make sure they keep the sexual activity to a minimum, and fully protected against pregnancy before they reach their goals...
That is true, and that is why we have to educate them on not only how to use it effectively, but instill in them the importance of remaining child free until they are ready...We simply can not just throw up our hands and say to ourselves "ah well, they're going to do it anyway" and leave it at that....Just as with drugs, and as hard as it is for today's parents to have these conversations with their kids, they have to stop trying to be their friends, and start being parents....
I agree, and that starts with informing them not only that the act of having sex is not just some fun recreational activity, but that it results in a child and when that happens their life is about that life they created...Not that it is just some anomaly that can be discarded like yesterday's trash....
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As the co-authors of Red Families v. Blue Families, we often give talks about the recent rise in what’s called the “nonmarital birthrate,” or the idea that more than 40 percent of children are now born to women who aren’t married. Sometimes at our talks someone will come up to us, confess his or her encounter with single parenthood, and say something like:
“When my daughter got pregnant and decided to keep the child, we were OK with that because we are Christians. When she decided not to marry the father, we were relieved because we knew he would be bad for her and the marriage would never work.”
They express these two beliefs—that they are Christian and thus uncomfortable with abortion and that they are relieved their daughter decided to raise the child alone—as if they are not connected.
But in fact this may be one of the stranger, more unexpected legacies of the pro-life movement that arose in the 40 years since Roe v. Wade: In conservative communities, the hardening of anti-abortion attitudes may have increased the acceptance of single-parent families. And by contrast, in less conservative communities, the willingness to accept abortion has helped create more stable families.
Researchers have considered many reasons for the rise in the nonmarital birthrate—the welfare state, the decline of morals, the increasing independence of women, even gay marriage. But one that people on neither the left nor the right talk about much is how it’s connected to abortion. The working class had long dealt with the inconvenient fact of an accidental pregnancy through the shotgun marriage. As blue-collar jobs paying a family wage have disappeared, however, so has early marriage. Women are then left with two choices:
They can delay childbearing (which might entail getting an abortion at some point) until the right man comes along or get more comfortable with the idea of becoming single mothers. College-educated elites have endorsed the first option, but everyone else is drifting toward the second.
In geographical regions and social classes where the stigma for having an abortion is high, the nonmarital birthrate is also high. Without really thinking about it or setting up any structures to support it, women in more conservative communities are raising children alone. This is a legacy the pro-life movement has not really grappled with.
Look at how most pro life conservatives congratulated and defended Sarah Palin's daughter Bristol when she became a single unwed mother.
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Not familiar with what you are speaking of...Is there something new on the market? ...
NEW YORK – The U.S. abortion rate declined to its lowest level since 1973, and the number of abortions fell by 13 percent between 2008 and 2011, according the latest national survey of abortion providers conducted by a prominent research institute.
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According to the report, the abortion rate dropped to 16.9 abortions per 1,000 women ages 15-44 in 2011, well below the peak of 29.3 in 1981 and the lowest since a rate of 16.3 in 1973.
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The lead author, Rachel Jones, also said there appeared to be no link to a decline in the number of abortion providers. According to the report, the total number of providers dropped by 4 percent, to 1,720, between 2008 and 2011, and the number of abortion clinics declined by just 1 percent to 839.
"Contraceptive use improved during this period, as more women and couples were using highly effective long-acting reversible contraceptive methods," she said.
Long term birth control nearly doubled in recent years
The report found that 7.2 percent of U.S. women ages 15 to 44 reported using long-acting reversible contraception (LARC), such as intrauterine devices (IUDs), in the month they were asked the question during 2011 to 2013. That's up from 3.8 percent who said the same in the period from 2006 to 2010, said Kimberly Daniels, a co-author of the report and a researcher at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention's National Center for Health Statistics.
The use of LARC was more common among women ages 25 to 34 — about 11 percent of women in this age group used LARC, compared with about 5 percent of women who were either younger or older.
The thought of involuntary socialism disgusts me as well. But not as much as having a public policy of mass murder. If you have to ask me to either stand in a bread line or kill a child, well, where's the end of the line.
:shrug: Okay. Then put your money where your mouth is. Take an assault rifle, head to your nearest public housing neighborhood, and "do some good" by blowing the youngest kids you can find into kingdom come before they have to suffer through living too much.
However, before you do that, you may want to consider whether or not your standards are incredibly out of whack with the global and historical norm. Our poor live better lives than kings used to, and better lives than most the world today.
Heck, plenty of our lower-income families are in the global top 1%. 1%ers, and you're talking about how their lives are so miserable it's better if they just die. :roll:
Rationalize as you please, but abortion does harm society. It devalues human life itself, and this is a slippery slope...why stop with killing the unborn? Why not the terribly inconvenient as well as the imperfect and those who are old and no longer "contributing"?
You consistently claim, Lursa, no matter how many times those who are pro-life tell you otherwise, that those who are pro-life value the unborn more than they do living women. There should be a balance between individual rights and personal and societal responsibilities.
So my question is, how is treating women as less than the unborn "better for society?" That is devaluing women. It absolutely is. It is telling them that their lives and futures are LESS important than the unborn. How does that not devalue them? That they are not equal to the various developmental stages of humans before birth?
J-mac on here has continually posted that if women want to have sex, even married or using bc, they deserve to be punished with a kid
That's not true at all Minnie...As a father of two, one girl, and one boy, whom are now grown, and going through school, I told both of them the same thing...And that is the same thing my father and mother drilled into me and my sister...That the act of sex will result in creating a child, and that their dreams, and their goals in life stop at that moment. That when they make the decision to have sex, they at that moment they are making a decision to alter their life's path...
It is beyond belief that you think that all women and their boyfriends/husbands should be condemned like that just because this what you believe should happen to someone
No, it is not beyond belief to expect adults to take responsibility for their actions. Responsibility is not condemnation.
I suppose it could be beyond your belief, provided you do not believe in personal responsibility.
Since restricting / banning abortion decidedly does not treat women as less than the unborn, but instead treats the unborn as equal to any other human being such that you cannot kill them in aggression, your entire post is a massive non sequitur.
You are lying. He said no such thing even once, let alone "continually."
Only you pro-aborts view a kid as punishment.
Then she should have kept her legs closed.
It's probably too much to ask you why you think it is perfectly fine to snuff out a defenseless life because you ordered too many tequila shots one night, and decided that you'd have sex anyway before you were done putting your own life together...Why are you more entitled to life than that of a child?
That the act of sex will result in creating a child, and that their dreams, and their goals in life stop at that moment.
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