- Joined
- Jul 26, 2005
- Messages
- 6,971
- Reaction score
- 1,564
- Gender
- Male
- Political Leaning
- Undisclosed
Ugh.The alarming warming trend continue with september being the warmest september on record and 2020 on track of being the warmest year of record.
No one is saying that anthropogenic climate change is not real, it is! Human activity can and does effect the climate.Ugh.
Just to be clear though, it should be "hottest year during the instrumental record period," not "hottest ever."
At any rate, you need to be delusional at this point not to accept that anthropogenic climate change is real, and we're clearly seeing its effects.
Not going to happen. 2020 will resume cooling from 2019.
UAH Global Temperature Update for September 2020: +0.57 deg. C
October 1st, 2020
The Version 6.0 global average lower tropospheric temperature (LT) anomaly for September, 2020 was +0.57 deg. C, up from from the August, 2020 value of +0.43 deg. C.
The linear warming trend since January, 1979 remains at +0.14 C/decade (+0.12 C/decade over the global-averaged oceans, and +0.18 C/decade over global-averaged land).
For comparison, the CDAS global surface temperature anomaly for the last 30 days at Weatherbell.com is +0.38 deg. C.
With La Nina in the Pacific now officially started, it will take several months for that surface cooling to be fully realized in the tropospheric temperatures. Typically, La Nina minimum temperatures (and El Nino maximum temperatures) show up around February, March, or April. . . .
The "lower troposphere" starts at ground level.Why do you believe that atmospheric temperatures are more relevant then surface temperatures? Also even atmospheric temperatures sees a clear increase.
It's not because of the science. It's because UAH is biased, and is slightly cooler than other measures. UAH is well known for not using the proper adjustments. RSS uses the same data with proper corrections.Why do you believe that atmospheric temperatures are more relevant then surface temperatures? Also even atmospheric temperatures sees a clear increase.
"as it still shows temperatures rising significantly -- 1.4C per decade"It's not because of the science. It's because UAH is biased, and is slightly cooler than other measures. UAH is well known for not using the proper adjustments. RSS uses the same data with proper corrections.
UAH only goes back to 1978. That lets him ignore about half of the instrumental record.
As you noted, it isn't a measurement of surface temperatures. It also ignores ocean temperatures, and we know that the oceans are soaking up massive amounts of the excess heat trapped in the atmosphere by the increase in GHGs.
Despite that, UAH ultimately doesn't help his position, as it still shows temperatures rising significantly -- 1.4C per decade. That's why Jack typically cherry-picks 1998 (a strong El Nino year) as his starting point.
Of course, he spent the few years screaming about how "temperatures are declining!" That doesn't work out, either. Temperatures declined slightly in 2017 and 2018 (in part because 2016 was another strong El Nino year), but went up in 2019, and almost certainly again in 2020. 2020 may not be quite as hot as 2016, but it may be the 2nd hottest year on record.
View attachment 67298463
It's not because of the science. It's because UAH is biased, and is slightly cooler than other measures. UAH is well known for not using the proper adjustments. RSS uses the same data with proper corrections.
UAH only goes back to 1978. That lets him ignore about half of the instrumental record.
As you noted, it isn't a measurement of surface temperatures. It also ignores ocean temperatures, and we know that the oceans are soaking up massive amounts of the excess heat trapped in the atmosphere by the increase in GHGs.
Despite that, UAH ultimately doesn't help his position, as it still shows temperatures rising significantly -- 1.4C per decade. That's why Jack typically cherry-picks 1998 (a strong El Nino year) as his starting point.
Of course, he spent the few years screaming about how "temperatures are declining!" That doesn't work out, either. Temperatures declined slightly in 2017 and 2018 (in part because 2016 was another strong El Nino year), but went up in 2019, and almost certainly again in 2020. 2020 may not be quite as hot as 2016, but it may be the 2nd hottest year on record.
It probably should, but several factors may prevent it from being cooler.2020 will mark the resumption of cooling.
We shall see.It probably should, but several factors may prevent it from being cooler.
Our poor understanding of the climate cycles could produce a Bessel function secondary peak,
or Anthropogenic adjustments by zealots, could both produce a slightly warmer 2020, than 2016.
I am not sure we will, if the people doing the "corrections" want it to be warmer, it likely will look warmer, in the record.We shall see.
I am not sure we will, if the people doing the "corrections" want it to be warmer, it likely will look warmer, in the record.
It may not actually be any warmer, but it will look like in in the record.
They will dismiss the UAH, and RSS, as being less accurate, and carry on with their agenda.
Nothing is adjusted outside the error bars, but the errors accumulate if they are systematic.Its a giant worldwide conspiracy!
One day you might wake up and realize what you are implying.
But I doubt it.
In GISS. And in HADCRUT. And BEST. And the Japanese agency whos name evades me at the moment.Nothing is adjusted outside the error bars, but the errors accumulate if they are systematic.
They do not agree now, why will it mater in the future.In GISS. And in HADCRUT. And BEST. And the Japanese agency whos name evades me at the moment.
Giant worldwide conspiracy that no one notices except... you.
Even so, it's unusually hot for a non-El Nino year, record breaking actually. Of course, some here will still pretend that the world is cooling. ...lolI think the chances are still hovering around 70%.
Last I saw, but Sept might have narrowed that confidence interval down and shifted it up:
View attachment 67298306
"pretty well", is that a technical term used by the drug companies?
Spanked again, so you whine about sources."pretty well", is that a technical term used by the drug companies?
Also, you did not cite the source of the graph.
The end points in your graph look to have a .25C spread,
You posted a graph that was not cited, and showed a .25C spread among the listed data sets,Spanked again, so you whine about sources.
Maybe I’ll just post idiotic claims without attribution like you do instead.You posted a graph that was not cited, and showed a .25C spread among the listed data sets,
in response to my saying the data sets do not agree on the level of warming.
Thanks for validating my point, but you should still cite your graph.
The estimate is from your own un cited posted graph!Maybe I’ll just post idiotic claims without attribution like you do instead.
We use cookies and similar technologies for the following purposes:
Do you accept cookies and these technologies?
We use cookies and similar technologies for the following purposes:
Do you accept cookies and these technologies?