Hostility to skilled immigration is the dumbest thing ever (2 Viewers)

[aociswundumho]

In 1880 the population of America was about 50 million people. Over the next 40 years about 25 million immigrants entered the country - many of them poor and illiterate. Instead of collapsing, America became the richest country on earth. America rose because of immigration, not in spite of it.

Given this history, the very least we should do today is throw open the gates to highly skilled immigrants from around the world. Engineers, scientists, doctors, entrepreneurs - they are lined up by the millions, ready to build, invent, and enrich our country. If we made it easy for the world's best minds to come here, we wouldn't just grow - we'd leave every other economy in the dust. Especially now with a tsunami of AI productivity tools coming down the pike.

But instead of welcoming them with open arms, we give them this:

https://www.cato.org/blog/why-legal-immigration-nearly-impossible

 

[Phys251]

In 1880 the population of America was about 50 million people. Over the next 40 years about 25 million immigrants entered the country - many of them poor and illiterate. Instead of collapsing, America became the richest country on earth. America rose because of immigration, not in spite of it.

Given this history, the very least we should do today is throw open the gates to highly skilled immigrants from around the world. Engineers, scientists, doctors, entrepreneurs - they are lined up by the millions, ready to build, invent, and enrich our country. If we made it easy for the world's best minds to come here, we wouldn't just grow - we'd leave every other economy in the dust. Especially now with a tsunami of AI productivity tools coming down the pike.

But instead of welcoming them with open arms, we give them this:

https://www.cato.org/blog/why-legal-immigration-nearly-impossible

Repubs would rather give white women $5000 to poop out more babies than to welcome to America the families that already exist.

 

[Ishm]

In 1880 the population of America was about 50 million people. Over the next 40 years about 25 million immigrants entered the country - many of them poor and illiterate. Instead of collapsing, America became the richest country on earth. America rose because of immigration, not in spite of it.

Given this history, the very least we should do today is throw open the gates to highly skilled immigrants from around the world. Engineers, scientists, doctors, entrepreneurs - they are lined up by the millions, ready to build, invent, and enrich our country. If we made it easy for the world's best minds to come here, we wouldn't just grow - we'd leave every other economy in the dust. Especially now with a tsunami of AI productivity tools coming down the pike.

But instead of welcoming them with open arms, we give them this:

https://www.cato.org/blog/why-legal-immigration-nearly-impossible

The trouble is that America is no longer a preferred destination for people from other wealthy nations like it once was. Those nations mostly also have very low population growth and compete with the US for skilled migrants. End result is that the bulk of skilled people we might attract to the US will have to come from the poorer nations that we mostly 'demonize' as undesirables today. So our very first move should be to create a society that people actually want to stay in or come to.

 

[phoenix2020]

In 1880 the population of America was about 50 million people. Over the next 40 years about 25 million immigrants entered the country - many of them poor and illiterate. Instead of collapsing, America became the richest country on earth. America rose because of immigration, not in spite of it.

Given this history, the very least we should do today is throw open the gates to highly skilled immigrants from around the world. Engineers, scientists, doctors, entrepreneurs - they are lined up by the millions, ready to build, invent, and enrich our country. If we made it easy for the world's best minds to come here, we wouldn't just grow - we'd leave every other economy in the dust. Especially now with a tsunami of AI productivity tools coming down the pike.

But instead of welcoming them with open arms, we give them this:

https://www.cato.org/blog/why-legal-immigration-nearly-impossible

Part of the problem is that MAGA really does not like seeing people with different skin colors within sight. Many miss the days when the "coloreds" were cordoned off to separate sections in public transportation, had to use separate rest rooms, eat elsewhere and generally be out of sight. All these darker skinned immigrants showing up makes them feel unsettled, uncomfortable, angry and afraid.

This is why Donald just had the federal government delete any immigration records over 5 years old for legal immigrants currently going through the long and painful process. That's right, if you were sponsored by your employer 6 years ago and are still waiting, then effective a few weeks ago any government-held electronic records related to that sponsorship have been deleted, so if you don't have your paper proof that you're "in the pipeline" then you're at risk of being deported. This is the sort of thing actual legal immigrants are dealing with right now, today, in Donald's America.

Hence we will see an incredible brain drain away from the United States in the coming 24 months, as the rest of the world realizes that America's talent is no longer welcome because Donald thinks "tiny screws" are the future and is too stupid to know differently.

 

[ElChupacabra]

Part of the problem is that MAGA really does not like seeing people with different skin colors within sight. Many miss the days when the "coloreds" were cordoned off to separate sections in public transportation, had to use separate rest rooms, eat elsewhere and generally be out of sight. All these darker skinned immigrants showing up makes them feel unsettled, uncomfortable, angry and afraid.

This is why Donald just had the federal government delete any immigration records over 5 years old for legal immigrants currently going through the long and painful process. That's right, if you were sponsored by your employer 6 years ago and are still waiting, then effective a few weeks ago any government-held electronic records related to that sponsorship have been deleted, so if you don't have your paper proof that you're "in the pipeline" then you're at risk of being deported. This is the sort of thing actual legal immigrants are dealing with right now, today, in Donald's America.

Hence we will see an incredible brain drain away from the United States in the coming 24 months, as the rest of the world realizes that America's talent is no longer welcome because Donald thinks "tiny screws" are the future and is too stupid to know differently.

After their targeting of all sorts of international students and their visas, I wouldn't blame any prospective students from not coming here. Any return home and back might end in some weird experience at the airport.

 

[dmpi]

Don't you have a responsibility to fix your own crappy country rather than cut and run to America? Or maybe your country is crappy because you're crappy too. I think four years of Biden has taught you this much.

 

[SNOWFLAKE]

I think four years of Biden has taught you this much.

Never mind what Trump is doing........................................ focus on Biden!!

 

[btthegreat]

Don't you have a responsibility to fix your own crappy country rather than cut and run to America? Or maybe your country is crappy because you're crappy too. I think four years of Biden has taught you this much.

Another incredibly silly post. The subject of this thread was skilled immigration. The premise behind it is that we should want them to come here, because their education and skillset are valuable to us or at least a specific sector of our economy who is actually interested enough in sponsoring them because their talents and education are in short supply.

Why do you want them to stay and 'fix their country' instead, when you can't know that their country 'needs fixing' if you don't know what country they come from?

What the hell was the point of your posting the comment at all, if you had no discernable reason to draw conclusions about their country of origin in the first place and even if you could find a reason, it's not remotely relevant, because these are people who provide a niche value to us

And then there is the obligatory partisan and tired reference to Biden out of nowhere, as if we needed more evidence that you really put no thought at all in what you were posting.

Its fine to be an arch conservative. It's the laziness here that offends.

To the OP, I cannot think of a logical explanation for MAGA to talk as though its illegal immigration that is their issue, and then for every effort be to discourage all immigration as much as possible, except that they are threatened by 'foreigners' because well - they are all foreign to them. It has to be undiluted xenophobia.

 

[ElChupacabra]

Don't you have a responsibility to fix your own crappy country rather than cut and run to America?

Well, the smart people leave some countries to get a better education abroad so they can go back and do precisely that. Of course, that would only be obvious to the smart people who know where the better education is, while those not as smart make comments like yours and spin on their thumbs.

Or maybe your country is crappy because you're crappy too.

Or maybe you made an ignorant comment. Maybe you should ask Musk what he thinks about this since he's one of those people from a "crappy country" who came here and hires people from "crappy countries" because of the lack of similarly skilled workers here.

I think four years of Biden has taught you this much.

You're on a roll with ignorant comments. See, those who understand the role of immigration tend to not take binary views like the one you're making because that can lead to negative outcomes in the long run. Countries with very strict immigration policies and declining birthrates have learned this the hard way and have had to pivot. Smart people would recognize the trend and seek to legislate immigration policy to prevent something like that. The not so smart people will whinge about immigration, curtail it and learn the hard way. Kind of like the stable geniuses who railed against green energy and are now whinging that China leads in this sector.

 

[j brown's body]

I don't think we're going to solve our demographic slide with just highly skilled immigrants.

 

[Bodecea]

In 1880 the population of America was about 50 million people. Over the next 40 years about 25 million immigrants entered the country - many of them poor and illiterate. Instead of collapsing, America became the richest country on earth. America rose because of immigration, not in spite of it.

Given this history, the very least we should do today is throw open the gates to highly skilled immigrants from around the world. Engineers, scientists, doctors, entrepreneurs - they are lined up by the millions, ready to build, invent, and enrich our country. If we made it easy for the world's best minds to come here, we wouldn't just grow - we'd leave every other economy in the dust. Especially now with a tsunami of AI productivity tools coming down the pike.

But instead of welcoming them with open arms, we give them this:

https://www.cato.org/blog/why-legal-immigration-nearly-impossible

And even American born skilled labor is leaving....doctors in particular.

 

[Bodecea]

Don't you have a responsibility to fix your own crappy country rather than cut and run to America? Or maybe your country is crappy because you're crappy too. I think four years of Biden has taught you this much.

What was crappy about the four years of President Biden?

 

[OrphanSlug]

In 1880 the population of America was about 50 million people. Over the next 40 years about 25 million immigrants entered the country - many of them poor and illiterate. Instead of collapsing, America became the richest country on earth. America rose because of immigration, not in spite of it.

Given this history, the very least we should do today is throw open the gates to highly skilled immigrants from around the world. Engineers, scientists, doctors, entrepreneurs - they are lined up by the millions, ready to build, invent, and enrich our country. If we made it easy for the world's best minds to come here, we wouldn't just grow - we'd leave every other economy in the dust. Especially now with a tsunami of AI productivity tools coming down the pike.

But instead of welcoming them with open arms, we give them this:

https://www.cato.org/blog/why-legal-immigration-nearly-impossible

What I am struggling with is the politics of the far-right and the far-left has created advocacy to either make that process entirely worse or come up with various means to get around it. Assuming the graphic is entirely accurate (cut / pasted below by link) that proves the article's point on the rare occasion someone passes all those steps.

OP Source Graphic - Immigration Steps

If the concept is going after "highly skilled immigrants" that tends to politically mean we are not producing that talent on our own so we should import higher skilled labor but still at some lower rate and for a predetermined period of time, and a similar argument tends to be made over other areas of our economy like agriculture, service industry, construction, etc. were we politically suggest who would and would not perform that labor. All that really means is we've made a giant mess of this subject, "poor and illiterate" or highly educated and skilled.

AI productivity tools and increase automation capabilities has really nothing to do with domestic or imported labor, and has everything to do with higher profit margins by needing less labor.

Threading the needle on who should be encouraged to immigrate here, period of time or permanent, does not really address the far-left concepts of unvetted labor nor the far-right concepts of isolationist American born only labor (or less expensive sponsored labor.)

 

[aociswundumho]

If the concept is going after "highly skilled immigrants" that tends to politically mean we are not producing that talent on our own so we should import higher skilled labor

There is no "our own". Additional doctors, engineers, etc, will make the country richer and better off regardless of where they were born.

but still at some lower rate and for a predetermined period of time, and a similar argument tends to be made over other areas of our economy like agriculture, service industry, construction, etc. were we politically suggest who would and would not perform that labor. All that really means is we've made a giant mess of this subject, "poor and illiterate" or highly educated and skilled.

Labor is a cost, like rent. Cheaper is better. Society is better off, on net, with cheaper labor, just like it is better off with cheaper rents. We want costs to be lower, not higher.

AI productivity tools and increase automation capabilities has really nothing to do with domestic or imported labor, and has everything to do with higher profit margins by needing less labor.

Threading the needle on who should be encouraged to immigrate here, period of time or permanent, does not really address the far-left concepts of unvetted labor nor the far-right concepts of isolationist American born only labor (or less expensive sponsored labor.)

The far left does not want "unvetted labor". Bernie is far left, and he is against it because he thinks immigrant workers make Americans worse off.

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[j brown's body]

There is no "our own". Additional doctors, engineers, etc, will make the country richer and better off regardless of where they were born.



Labor is a cost, like rent. Cheaper is better. Society is better off, on net, with cheaper labor, just like it is better off with cheaper rents. We want costs to be lower, not higher.





The far left does not want "unvetted labor". Bernie is far left, and he is against it because he thinks immigrant workers make Americans worse off.

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Sounds like you're argument is that capitalism must keep workers as poor as possible.

 

[aociswundumho]

Sounds like you're argument is that capitalism must keep workers as poor as possible.

There is no system where the workers do better than under capitalism.