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YuGottaBKidding said:The claim that homosexuals don't have a choice is the same claim alcoholics make.
The excuse for homosexual behavior is the genetic excuse, and the scam comes from a homosexual political and marketing strategy publication called "Overhauling Straight America".
Here is how they strategized to use the genetic excuse, exactly as is being used here by homosexuals:
Chapter 2: "The message must read: "As far as gays can tell, they were born gay, just as you were born heterosexual or white or black or bright or athletic. Nobody ever tricked or seduced them; they never made a choice, and are not morally blameworthy. What they do isn't willfully contrary - it's only natural for them. This twist of fate could as easily have happened to you!"
I tried. I sat here and looked at the empty edit box. I thought of several different responses. I could not complete any without venturing into unkindness. I'm just baffled.YuGottaBKidding said:The claim that homosexuals don't have a choice is the same claim alcoholics make.
Don't worry. The troll's been shoved back under the bridge.Lilith said:I tried. I sat here and looked at the empty edit box. I thought of several different responses. I could not complete any without venturing into unkindness. I'm just baffled.
YuGottaBKidding said:The claim that homosexuals don't have a choice is the same claim alcoholics make.
All these years of listening to this argument and just today the answer hit me. Very clear in my mind, harder to explain but here goes.
The question of gay by choice or birth. I say birth.
I am a straight man. I could not choose to be gay (Have sex with another man...ewww....). To put it bluntly I couldn't get it up. Just wont happen. There is no attraction, no arousal. I've used this argument to those that say it is a choice for years to no avail. I've been looking at it from the wrong perspective. I need to view this from the eyes of those that say it is choice. All these years I've been wrong, about their views and reasons for saying it is by choice. Those that can even conceive of such a thing have made that choice themselves. They have latent homo/bi sexuality within them. They know this and are disgusted with this fact and that's is where the vehemence of their comments come from. It logically must be the only explanation. They throw aside the arguments of us that say you are born gay. They can't conceive of us not being able to be gay. They can only understand it from their perspective. They have made a choice between their bidirectional loins. How else could this be. I have a little trouble putting this into words, it is an original concept I think. This was being argued on Alan Colmes radio show tonight. Okay, enough of the serious part because this thought really lends itself to annoying people. Yes. Hey all you uptight bible thumping gay bashers, you've just been outed by me, teacher. ha ha ha ha ha ha ha .
teacher said:I am a straight man.
teacher said:I could not choose to be gay (Have sex with another man...ewww....). To put it bluntly I couldn't get it up. Just wont happen. There is no attraction, no arousal. I've used this argument to those that say it is a choice for years to no avail. I've been looking at it from the wrong perspective. I need to view this from the eyes of those that say it is choice. All these years I've been wrong, about their views and reasons for saying it is by choice. Those that can even conceive of such a thing have made that choice themselves. They have latent homo/bi sexuality within them. They know this and are disgusted with this fact and that's is where the vehemence of their comments come from. It logically must be the only explanation. They throw aside the arguments of us that say you are born gay. They can't conceive of us not being able to be gay. They can only understand it from their perspective. They have made a choice between their bidirectional loins. How else could this be. I have a little trouble putting this into words, it is an original concept I think. This was being argued on Alan Colmes radio show tonight. Okay, enough of the serious part because this thought really lends itself to annoying people. Yes. Hey all you uptight bible thumping gay bashers, you've just been outed by me, teacher. ha ha ha ha ha ha ha .
Hi everyone, I'm new I just wanted to introduce myself before making my first postso anyway, I do not believe homosexuality is a choice at all for one pretty obvious reason, in my opinion. If it was a choice, why would anyone have ever chosen it?
I mean today's society is much better and accepting than it was even 10 years ago, but there are still LOTS of people who are against homosexuality and discriminate against gays. So with that being a well known fact, why would anyone EVER choose to be discriminated against?
It just seems so against human nature to me for someone to actually want to be treated poorly for something they have control over.
Again, right now in 2005 its not TOO bad but in the 70's and 80's a lot of people treated gays like they had an infectious disease or something.
Another reason I believe homosexuality is not a choice is that it just doesnt really seem to make sense.
I mean, do straight people choose who they are attracted to?
Do they walk around going "I am going to be attracted to that guy/girl"?
I dont know, I could be totally wrong but I always thought you're just attracted people.
So, if its true that straight people don't choice who they love,...
how can it possibly be true that gays choose who they love? After all, they're humans too aren't they, with the same feelings and attractions?
phate17 said:I have a Masters degree in Biology with a minor in genetics and it is my educated opinion that Homosexuality is not genetic. It is a choice an unnatural and disgusting choice. It is akin to bestiality and pedophilia. It should be illegal. The rise in child rape (most of which is homosexual) is partially due to society allowing acts like anal sex to continue and be openly accepted. Allowing gays to adopt is irresponsible and dangerous for the poor defenseless children.
Pacridge said:We don't. We need to accept people for who they are.
Kelzie said:Welcome. and great topic by the way. I''m not sure how many people are familiar with the controlled male twin study by Bailey and Pillard in 1991? Anyone? Anyway you can read the whole thing here but I'll also summarize it, since it is rather lengthy… monozygotic twins (identical twins) have a 52% concordance of homosexuality… (yada yada yada)… 15 times for identicals to less than 2 times for adopted in the same family smacks of a little more than personal choices and upbringing don't ya think?
Kelzie said:Why do you want to be straight? Why would you want to be attracted to another sex? I am straight and I have no desire to change that. I like liking men, and I was under the impression that gay men do too. If you are uncomfortable with the people you are sexually attracted to, it sounds like a different problem to me. One that would not be solved by taking the magic straight pill.
january said:And by the way, with a little social acceptance and less "cure" talk, ya'll could get the rights you're guaranteed under the constitution, and you could have a family!
January said:There is an implication then that being gay is "wrong" as I doubt they would research ways to make the straight, gay. They'd certainly never get government funding.
Naughty Nurse said:I think that whatever shapes our sexuality (and none of us really knows the answer to that), it is absolutely not a choice.
galenrox said:I'm pretty sure my mom wanted me (or my sister) to be gay. We live in an extrordinarily liberal town, and it's considered somewhat of a badge of honor to have a gay child, and to accept him/her for the way s/he is.
So if anything, I was conditioned to be gay…
Shuamort said:You mean like this one?Loki said:Until someone comes up with a homosexual gene, I'll have to assume it's choice.
snl89 said:I do not believe homosexuality is a choice at all for one pretty obvious reason, in my opinion. If it was a choice, why would anyone have ever chosen it?
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