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Homeowner shoots, kills 2 men in ski masks claiming to be officers, HPD says

Because people dressing up as police is happening because we have unclearly marked police.
Yes, this causes problem. Legitimate ICE agents may now be targets more readily out of fear.

This is a difficult thing. I understand them needing to keep their identities out of the public media, because this is such a hot topic, they will be targets for murder.

How do we find balance on this?
 
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HOUSTON — An investigation is underway after two men wearing ski masks and claiming to be police were shot and killed at a home in southeast Houston Friday night, according to the Houston Police Department.

So, I suspect sooner or later real ICE agents are going to get the same reception. At which point Trump will use it as an excuse for total warfare on the citizens of the US.
This is EXACTLY what I said to my wife just yesterday not having any knowledge about this situation. Sooner or later, the people will have had enough of masked FBI/ICE approaching them, whether in the streets or in their homes, refusing to identify themselves or show proper arrest/search warrants, and they'll start to exercise their 2nd Amendment right to self-defense. But I suspect that is EXACTLY what this president wants.

Pres. Trump is sending ARMED military into Washington, DC under the same questionable pretext of "high, violent crime". Notice that:
  1. Washington DC is the only U.S. city whose existence is mandated by the U.S. Constitution. (Art. I, Sect. 8, cls 17)
  2. Washington DC is the only U.S. city with its own National Guard (which is controlled by the SecDef by authority of the POTUS; Exec. Order No. 11485 refers)
Per EO 11485, the DCNG can be called upon to patrol the DC city streets to "aid civil authorities and local law enforcement", but the order doesn't specify what aid is to be provided and under what circumstances. For such specifics, one must look to the law most likely governing national disasters/emergency, insurrection and rebel against the United States. And that is the point of this post.

Trump and his White House Legal Counsel all know that unless there is a national emergency/disaster/crisis that only the military can resolve, he cannot unilaterally call up the "militia", i.e., the military, at a whim. Art. I, Sec. 8, cls 16 refers, to wit:

To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the militia, and for governing such part of them as may be employed in the service of the United States, reserving to the states respectively, the appointment of the officers, and the authority of training the militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress.

In short, the POTUS cannot call upon the National Guard of any state except as prescribed by law (i.e., the Insurrection Act*), specifically, to halt a rebellion or insurrection, or to assist in a natural disaster or national emergency. But I suspect he'll wait patiently until society rebels against these masked federal law enforcement agents before setting the National Guard against the population. All he needs is one act of resistance to pull the trigger (figuratively and quite literally).

*The Insurrection Act was the exact justification under existing law both JFK and LBJ used to issue their Executive Orders to call up each state's National Guard units to disburse rowdy segregationist in MS and AL during the Civil Rights Era.
 
You are trying to argue a hypothetical when you can't define the hypothetical or give any tangible examples.

It is hardly hypothetical. it's happening every day. They are riding around in unmarked civilian cars wearing street clothing with masks covering their faces, their only authority is the gun, and a vest that says Police.


They are not escorted by other departments who are driving marked cars. They are not calling those other agencies and getting uniformed officers to accompany them, sometimes because they are moving too fast, and other times because the locals won't help them.

So how are we supposed to know? Is the Civilian Clothing wearing guy an ICE agent or a Criminal? Other cops wear badges as signs of their authority. Federal Agents like FBI show credentials when they talk to you. ICE just shouts and covers their faces, exactly as the Criminals in the story did.

It isn't hypothetical when it's happening.



How do you know it is ICE and not some thugs looking to kidnap someone?

Part of the reason 9-11 happened was the instructions for Aircrew and Passengers in case of a Hijacking. Go along, let the experts handle it. Go along, and do not try and fight back because people will get hurt and the plane may crash. Those instructions followed by the Aircrews led to the destruction of the World Trade Center and severe damage to the Pentagon, with another plane crashing in Pennsylvania.

So if it is cops you are supposed to go along. If it is criminals, you are supposed to fight back, and if you guess wrong, you die right?
 
It is hardly hypothetical. it's happening every day. They are riding around in unmarked civilian cars wearing street clothing with masks covering their faces, their only authority is the gun, and a vest that says Police.
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That incident doesn't describe what we're talking about.
 
Against all training that I know of. You found a one off cop who over reacted. Now show me where an officer is taught to shoot blindly through a closed door. Sorry, the training does not teach that, in fact, rule is to identify and know your target. BTW, your video is behind a pay wall.
 
Against all training that I know of. You found a one off cop who over reacted. Now show me where an officer is taught to shoot blindly through a closed door. Sorry, the training does not teach that, in fact, rule is to identify and know your target. BTW, your video is behind a pay wall.
Shot this innocent womam im her own home through a window.

 
You are really digging now, 2019? White officer, black female victim?
Did you get to the point where the officer resigned and was later sentenced to 11 years in prison? As I said, I know of no training to shoot trough closed doors and now you come up with this. What is your point? do you even have one?
 
You are really digging now, 2019? White office, black female victim?
Did you get to the point where the officer resigned and was later sentenced to 11 years in prison? As I said, I know of no training to shoot trough closed doors and now you come up with this. What is your point? do you even have one?
Like i said......it happens way too much.
 
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