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Homeless update: Northern California

RobertU

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I recently attended two small discussion groups at a Vacaville senior center, which included presentations and comments by social workers and others who had personal relationships with the homeless. Some perspectives and data:

There are about 150 people living on the streets in Vacaville but nearly 2,000 in neighboring Fairfield, which is only slightly larger in population.

Some of the homeless do not want to return to the complexities and responsibilities of conventional life and see their life on the streets as a permanent camping trip. Such people, though in smaller numbers, have always been present in society, e.g., hobos and tramps. Some refuse to go to homeless shelters because they don’t want to follow the rules there.

Heroin and fentanyl have replaced meth as the drugs of choice among the Vacaville homeless.

About 80 percent of the homeless are mentally ill and/or have substance abuse issues. Only 20 percent are homeless solely because of financial issues and that group includes persons released from prison.

The director of Opportunity House said her group helps about 200 people each year in a highly disciplined living environment, where residents learn social skills and how to save money. They conduct random drug screening, which makes them ineligible for federal funding. Politicians at various levels put a priority on getting people off the streets even if they continue using drugs in housing.

People seem willing to accept a strictly run homeless boarding house in a suburban neighborhood.

The director said that the homeless people she encounters are largely not transient; they have lived in Vacaville for several years.

There is a shortage of homeless services for single men, often predicated in the belief that young men, in particular, are troublemakers and will harass the women. However, the director noted that it is often the insecure homeless women who are the “aggressors.” They will cling to and give themselves to any man at a shelter who is “getting his act together.”
 
Interesting post and comments.

I love Vacaville and although a long drive I try to make it to that amazing rock/mineral shop a few times a year.

I also have heard that a great many of the homeless prefer their circumstance to a more structured environment with more rules. I’m not sure the long term implications of this.

Why are there so few homeless in Vacaville as compared to Fairfield?
 
Interesting post and comments.

I love Vacaville and although a long drive I try to make it to that amazing rock/mineral shop a few times a year.

I also have heard that a great many of the homeless prefer their circumstance to a more structured environment with more rules. I’m not sure the long term implications of this.

Why are there so few homeless in Vacaville as compared to Fairfield?
I don't think the rock/mineral shop is still at the Nut Tree unless it has moved to a location I don't know about. I can't account for the larger numbers of homeless in Fairfield. But the city crime rate is about 25 to 30 percent higher than Vacaville.

A few people in the discussion group believed that, at the least, homeless people who have serious mental illnesses should be confined to institutions. The shelter director also said that people strung out on drugs lose their capacity to think like adults; a 30-year-old woman on drugs will act like a petulant 15-year-old girl.
 
A few observations:

1) fixing the people with drug addictions is for the most part an impossible task. Most addicts fail rehab, especially when so many around them are still using. So, on the drug issue, states and local governments still need a strong dissensentive to the "open drug scene" which too many social workers simply claim is lack of affordable housing. You CANNOT provide any housing which these addicts will for the most part be able to use if there are rules attached. Spending tax payer dollars to build housing for drug addicts only encourages MORE addicts, especially ones coming here to California from other states.

2) mentally ill need to be put into mental hospitals, but the current laws prevent that, and the ACLU and these "homeless advocacy groups" are good at filing lawsuits restricting cities and counties from removing people from camping in the public spaces.

3) here in California and West of the Rockies where the 9th Circuit court rules, the law says that homelessness is not a crime, and cities/counties cannot in most cases remove people from homeless campsites on public land if no other crime is committed by them---- UNLESS the city/county provides alternate shelter for them. If they do, then it is legal to make them leave, or remove them. Problem there brings us back to wasting tax money building shelters which then only become magnets for drug use.

Solution (for California and the states under the 9th court):

Build temporary emergency "FEMA like" campsites in suitable areas away from urban and suburban communities which provide shelter, sanitation, social services, security, and RULES, and then these unsheltered squatters can be compelled to leave, or made to leave--- even if they are still unwilling to go to the FEMA like campsites. Thus you can help who will accept help; you satisfy the 9th circuit court rule; and you create a strong dissensentive for the type of "homeless vagabond lifestyle" which has become far too easy for many of these people to pass up. If they can't/won't follow rules, or won't accept help, then they have to leave. And if they don't then it becomes a criminal manner and they will end up "housed" in prisons or mental hospitals.

But California lawmakers and leaders have to make this a priority, which currently is not their goal. They don't care about the misery of citizens, either "homeless" or residents, and then only prioritize social justice, climate change, defunding police, immigrant sanctuary---anything but the matters which are more important.

Carrot or stick is the answer.
 
We lived in Calistoga and later Sebastopol and would visit family in Dixon. Stopped at the Outlet shops and In and Out Burger a lot of those trips.

Nice area. Quickly into the hills and rural areas.
 
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