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Holder: Some Gitmo prisoners to be held indefinitelyAttorney General Eric H. Holder Jr. said Wednesday that even after the closing of the prison at Guantanamo Bay, the U.S. will continue to hold indefinitely a number of terror suspects whose cases will never go to trial and who cannot be sent to any other country.
Mr. Holder told the Senate Judiciary Committee that the detainees who cannot be released will have their cases periodically reviewed to determine whether they must continue to be held without trial. He did not specify how many of the roughly 230 detainees remaining at U.S. Naval Base at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, would fall into this category.
President Obama has signed an executive order for the prison to close with a year and put in Mr. Holder in charge of a task force to make it happen. Critics say the prison has become a symbol of American excesses in the fight against terrorism, but closing it will apparently not change the reality that some detainees will continue to be held.
Complete bull****. If their cases will never go to trial you obviously don't have a reasonable amount of evidence to hold the person indefinitely.
Hold'em Forever Holder!
Way to go, Mr. Close Gitmo Now!
I'm betting that Holder, being a lawyer as he is, never saw this in print:
"All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."
Yep, the Fourteenth Amendment.
It says "all persons".
It was definitely squirmy of Bush to claim that Gitmo was outside the jurisdiction of the Constitution.
Good old Hold'em Forever. If he puts them in the US, they're going to get lawyers some how. The prisons can't even keep drugs out, let alone cockroaches. But he can't put them elsewhere. And yet The Messiah promised to do something with these people.
Such gross incompetence.
So predictable.
This is really the key. These dudes aren't citizens, and therefore not entitled toAll persons born or naturalized in the United States......are citizens of the United States
the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States
This is really the key. These dudes aren't citizens, and therefore not entitled to
"All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."
One of the reasons I voted for Obama was the promise to close Gitmo. I assumed that we would try these terror suspects in a court of law, then sentence them if they're guilty of free them if they're innocent. I guess Obama has different plans.
For someone who is supposedly a liberal like me, he and I sure do see things a lot more differently now than before the campaign. Maybe he isn't as liberal as I was hoping he'd be.
You sound like allot of folks I know who voted for Mr. Obama, you all thought he was going to ride into Washington on his White Horse with all of these promise he made as Cand.Obama and when he got here and became president Obama he realized ohh I guess I can't do allot of these thing I told evryone I would do. GITMO by far was his biggest gaft, untill he had the chance to sit down and really read everything he should have never signed the Exc. Order to close GITMO with out getting all of the facts.
For someone who is supposedly a liberal like me, he and I sure do see things a lot more differently now than before the campaign. Maybe he isn't as liberal as I was hoping he'd be.
This is really the key. These dudes aren't citizens, and therefore not entitled to
You sound like allot of folks I know who voted for Mr. Obama, you all thought he was going to ride into Washington on his White Horse
Or maybe he just saw all of the facts and realized he was wrong about closing Gitmo (and many other things).
Facts have a way of changing the lens you use.
Respectfully, I disagree. I think he is swinging towards the center and attempting to appeal to moderates, and perhaps even a few conservatives. I imagine there are a lot of folks with access to the same facts he has that are convinced these people should be tried by court of law or military tribunal.
As I said earlier, I suspect there a lot of people who can see the records of these things and know they're guilty as hell, and also know that because of the exigent circumstances they were questioned in way that would be considered a violation of the Eighth Amendment if brought to trial in the US, so that the evidence that does exist isn't admissible, and thus, as Bush already knew, and as The Messiah is discovering, they can't be put on trial, and their such murderous despicable scum, they can't be released.
Respectfully, I disagree. I think he is swinging towards the center and attempting to appeal to moderates, and perhaps even a few conservatives.
I imagine there are a lot of folks with access to the same facts he has that are convinced these people should be tried by court of law or military tribunal.
Based on the latest polls showing the erosion of indpendent support, it sure doesn't seem to be working, does it?
Or maybe your imagination is wrong. And if there are actually others that believe they should be tried that have seen all of the information Obama has, it would be just as easy for me to call their motivations into question as you did with Obama.
I.E. Maybe they just want to get re-elected and appeal to the base of the party.
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