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History of an occupation (OWS)

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Read more and video @: History of an occupation - Fault Lines - Al Jazeera English

Pretty much a histroy of the movement from the Occupiers point of view. Very interesting but short documentary. Only about 25 min long. Found it very interesting that it really wasnt the Adbusters page that got the movement started, in fact the movement was already started before that little apparently "controversial" page was made

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It was a one sided propaganda film designed to glorify the movement, which explains why it's given so much air time and attention from Al Jazeera.

It painted the OWS protesors as the innocent victims of police agression and didn't mention anything about the violence, destruction of public property, and complete disreguard for the law that so many of them were involved in.

Here's some of the images that they overlooked in that so called documentary:




 

Are there embarassing photos of individuals from the Tea Party? Do we use those to condemn the whole of the Tea Party movement? Or is this just something you're going to hold to OWS?
 

Oh Grim.... DO we even need to get started on this again?
 
Ikari said:
Are there embarassing photos of individuals from the Tea Party? Do we use those to condemn the whole of the Tea Party movement? Or is this just something you're going to hold to OWS?
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Well, members of the Tea Party at their protests didn't break the law, destroy public property, threaten to kill police, assault police, crap on police cars, leave public parks looking like war zones, burn American flags, rape women, indecently expose themselves to children, have sexual intercourse in public, deal drugs, deal drugs in the presence of children, paint graffiti on public buildings and historic landmarks, engage in anti-Semitic public speech, murder people, engage in arson and theft, and didn't cost tax payers over 20 million dollars to repair damages and clean up their mess. I realize that you would like myself and everyone else to pretend like all those things didn't happen, but they did.

I can't believe that in less than 24 hours, I have to once again field the same BS accusations, but I guess I shouldn't expect anything less from the left... I do not now, nor have I said that these acts represent the entire movement. You linked to a documentary that pretends like none of those things have happened, and paint the police as the aggressors which is complete and total horse crap... It's dishonest propaganda.
 
I thought someone posted a pic of vandalism during Tea Party protest.

The OWS in general is well larger than the Tea Party and capable of creating much larger crowds. For the long standing duration that these large crowds exist; they also will draw others looking not to support the movement as much as they are looking to find an anonymous to commit crimes. It’s easier to get away with crime if you can hide within a crowd. And the long standing, huge crowds of OWS are ideal for that. As such, there is little surprise to see some amount of crime occur.

Now is this OWS committing the crimes? Only an idiot would suggest so. The rational folk understand that this is not what OWS is calling for in their movement; but rather a realization of certain demographics within a large group. If this were an OWS sponsored and encouraged behavior; we would see well more instances of these crimes as opposed to the relatively rare incidents which were actually realized.

In the end, the reason you’ll have to deal with this every time is because you make the same ass backwards generalizations in order to cast the whole of the OWS movement in a light that makes it easier for you to insult and dismiss their message. In the end, this is nothing more than idiotic partisan rhetoric which behooves no one other than the status quo which relies on people being dumb enough to not think about problems, and rather just point fingers to the other side.
 

Again, pure BS... I'm attacked for no other reason than you people don't like the facts. The topic of this thread is the documentary on the OWS movement. The op asked for comments and thoughts on it, and I posted the following:


It painted the OWS protesters as the innocent victims of police aggression and didn't mention anything about the violence, destruction of public property, and complete disregard for the law that so many of them were involved in.​



There is no generalization there... So How about you retract you partisan BS? Either that, or you MF'ers stop asking for opinions and bury your heads in the sand and pretend that OWS movement has been ordained by Jesus Christ himself.
 
Grim no one is saying that some occupiers were violent ( a very very small amount), but the media and you like to paint it as tho the whole entire movement was a violent movement, which is just not true..
 
They have their own history now? That's a little presumptuous.
 
TheDemSocialist said:
Grim no one is saying that some occupiers were violent ( a very very small amount), but the media and you like to paint it as tho the whole entire movement was a violent movement, which is just not true..
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JFC how many times are you all going to continue this BS?

I do not believe that the despicable actions from this, or any other OWS protest, reflect the actions and beliefs of everyone involved in the movement.

GOT IT?


Look at the GD op, and look at my response... OPEN YOUR ****ING EYES
 
when i see the ows crowd,i see hippies.

i see people in which atleast half are protesting just to protest and dont know or care what their message is.

n one in their right mind can take ows seriously unless they actually organize behind a solid message instead of a few good ones buried in a see of garbage.

wait a minute werent liberals arguing that tea partiers were racists like 5 months ago for what a few people did,so i guess its true,liberals believe one conservative represents all and one liberal is just a bad apple and doesnt count.
 

No, you're attacked because you continually make the same dumbass argument. Nothing more, nothing less. Quit trying to play the victim.
 
Ikari said:
No, you're attacked because you continually make the same dumbass argument. Nothing more, nothing less. Quit trying to play the victim.
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How about you stop lying your ass off, throw away the liberal play book, and face reality like an adult instead of using lies and distortions to avoid the gaping flaws in the ideology you so foolishly embrace?

I was asked my opinion on that documentary, and I gave it... Care to address that or does your ideology prevent you from honest discussion that doesn't fit your political beliefs?
 



Any mention of the sexual assaults, rampant drug use, and filth?
 
beerftw said:
wait a minute werent liberals arguing that tea partiers were racists like 5 months ago for what a few people did,so i guess its true,liberals believe one conservative represents all and one liberal is just a bad apple and doesnt count.
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You weren't around for the height of the Tea Parties; there were quite a few who went on and on and on about how "racist" it was simply because of "all the white faces."

It's funny that the same people are having trouble seeing the nearly unbroken sea of white faces now.
 
That was kind of like the Obama documentary. Its to create a narrative, not be substantial about the actual events. To be fair about what Grims is saying, if there were any violence or unrest involved in the tea party demonstrations, the brush would tar far and wide. The media representation of the two were caricatures of each other. With the tea party they were looking for as many warts as they could find with the other they took great pains to avoid the warts for as long as possible.
 

Tax Choice - A Strategy for the Occupy Movement
 
I had my first run in with the antisemitism issues with some of this movement on Facebook. A lot of people were opposed to it, so it is very much a minority position, but the fact that it showed up at all made me sad.

That said, I still maintain that the best example of OWS are the groups in DC. No problems with vandalism, violence, or bigotry. They stand opposed to war, corporate control, and the hoarding of wealth for the benefit of the few. Ignore those Zuccotti jerks, and look to the Occupiers in DC for the real face of the movement.
 

I know how you feel... It sucked in the beginning of the Tea Party gatherings, that a few people showed up at some of the events and made asses of themselves. The people organizing and participating in the Tea Party events decided that they weren't going to let people like that, people who didn't represent their views and beliefs, tarnish the movement or their message. They took steps to let those people know that they were not welcome and when they decided to still show up at events, the participants would run them out.

That is the main beef I have with the OWS movement itself. They turn a blind eye to those kind of people and haven't done anything to stop them from tarnishing their movement. All the videos I've seen thus far of anti-Semitism, violent speech, etc... from OWS, isn't challenged by other people at the gathering. They seem to have adopted a "the more the merrier" approach to their gatherings, putting numbers ahead of message.
 
There have been few movements in our nation's history: independence and civil rights but even these pale in comparison to OWS's impact on us all as a chord of humanity was struck in our souls as we embraced this righteous cause.
 
 
 
KevinKohler said:
Where was the excuse that I made? List the phrase that you feel is an excuse for their behavior, lol.
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The flag burning is a anti-government thing, the second pic was photoshopped and besides, everyone else does it, and he needed to **** somewhere, so whats the big deal.
 
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