Hillary Clinton Broke The Law

[pbrauer]

After spending a considerable amount of time defending her, I realize she did, there is no way around it. She had top secret emails on her server and apparently sent them. This would have occurred even if she had a State Dept account. Those emails had the special coding that IC uses to identify them, but they didn't have "Top Secret" on them. Being a diplomat she didn't understand the IC coding however, she would have known it if they were marked that. The redundant information is put there because they know people don't understand the codes.

The reason one of her aides took the the fifth is because he knew she broke the law.

Hillary now knows she broke the law and that's why she is trying to cover it up, as we know that is worse than than the infraction. She needs to come out and explain herself to stop the bleeding.

Now that I've admitted she broke the law I am no longer defending her and will not entertain any post questioning her motivation.

Here is the story that made change my opinion:

The top Democrat on the Senate Intelligence Committee defended Hillary Clinton’s email practices on Thursday, saying media reports about classified information on the former secretary of state’s server did not make clear that Clinton hadn’t written any of the “top secret” emails.Two days after an inspector general said it found “top secret” information on Clinton’s unsecured email server, Sen. Dianne Feinstein of California accused news reports of “missing key points.” For example: “none of the emails alleged to contain classified information were written by Secretary Clinton,” she said — nor were they marked as “top secret” at the time they were sent.




Read more: Feinstein defends Clinton's email practices

 

[bubbabgone]

After spending a considerable amount of time defending her, I realize she did, there is no way around it. She had top secret emails on her server and apparently sent them. This would have occurred even if she had a State Dept account. Those emails had the special coding that IC uses to identify them, but they didn't have "Top Secret" on them. Being a diplomat she didn't understand the IC coding however, she would have known it if they were marked that. The redundant information is put there because they know people don't understand the codes.

The reason one of her aides took the the fifth is because he knew she broke the law.

Hillary now knows she broke the law and that's why she is trying to cover it up, as we know that is worse than than the infraction. She needs to come out and explain herself to stop the bleeding.

Now that I've admitted she broke the law I am no longer defending her and will not entertain any post questioning her motivation.

Here is the story that made change my opinion:

The top Democrat on the Senate Intelligence Committee defended Hillary Clinton’s email practices on Thursday, saying media reports about classified information on the former secretary of state’s server did not make clear that Clinton hadn’t written any of the “top secret” emails.Two days after an inspector general said it found “top secret” information on Clinton’s unsecured email server, Sen. Dianne Feinstein of California accused news reports of “missing key points.” For example: “none of the emails alleged to contain classified information were written by Secretary Clinton,” she said — nor were they marked as “top secret” at the time they were sent.




Read more: Feinstein defends Clinton's email practices

That's fine, Pete ... as far as it goes ... but we both know there's more to this story than having sent classified emails from her personal server.

 

[Mycroft]

I'm not sure why that article, in particular, would make you change your mind...but welcome back from the Dark Side. ;-)

 

[roughdraft274]

After spending a considerable amount of time defending her, I realize she did, there is no way around it. She had top secret emails on her server and apparently sent them. This would have occurred even if she had a State Dept account. Those emails had the special coding that IC uses to identify them, but they didn't have "Top Secret" on them. Being a diplomat she didn't understand the IC coding however, she would have known it if they were marked that. The redundant information is put there because they know people don't understand the codes.

The reason one of her aides took the the fifth is because he knew she broke the law.

Hillary now knows she broke the law and that's why she is trying to cover it up, as we know that is worse than than the infraction. She needs to come out and explain herself to stop the bleeding.

Now that I've admitted she broke the law I am no longer defending her and will not entertain any post questioning her motivation.

Here is the story that made change my opinion:

The top Democrat on the Senate Intelligence Committee defended Hillary Clinton’s email practices on Thursday, saying media reports about classified information on the former secretary of state’s server did not make clear that Clinton hadn’t written any of the “top secret” emails.Two days after an inspector general said it found “top secret” information on Clinton’s unsecured email server, Sen. Dianne Feinstein of California accused news reports of “missing key points.” For example: “none of the emails alleged to contain classified information were written by Secretary Clinton,” she said — nor were they marked as “top secret” at the time they were sent.




Read more: Feinstein defends Clinton's email practices

I was unaware that she had actually sent any of the emails and that they were labeled. Up to this point I've said that what she did was incredibly stupid but I didn't see anything that constituted an actual law being broken. I think this definitely qualifies though it's probably unlikely she gets prosecuted or charges brought against her.

I was already not planning on ever voting for Hillary and all of this only makes me more sure of this.

 

[MMC]

After spending a considerable amount of time defending her, I realize she did, there is no way around it. She had top secret emails on her server and apparently sent them. This would have occurred even if she had a State Dept account. Those emails had the special coding that IC uses to identify them, but they didn't have "Top Secret" on them. Being a diplomat she didn't understand the IC coding however, she would have known it if they were marked that. The redundant information is put there because they know people don't understand the codes.

The reason one of her aides took the the fifth is because he knew she broke the law.

Hillary now knows she broke the law and that's why she is trying to cover it up, as we know that is worse than than the infraction. She needs to come out and explain herself to stop the bleeding.

Now that I've admitted she broke the law I am no longer defending her and will not entertain any post questioning her motivation.

Here is the story that made change my opinion:

The top Democrat on the Senate Intelligence Committee defended Hillary Clinton’s email practices on Thursday, saying media reports about classified information on the former secretary of state’s server did not make clear that Clinton hadn’t written any of the “top secret” emails.Two days after an inspector general said it found “top secret” information on Clinton’s unsecured email server, Sen. Dianne Feinstein of California accused news reports of “missing key points.” For example: “none of the emails alleged to contain classified information were written by Secretary Clinton,” she said — nor were they marked as “top secret” at the time they were sent.




Read more: Feinstein defends Clinton's email practices

Holy moly and give that man a Maple Bacon Coffee Martini.. You alright Pete? You haven't been out in the Sun for to long have ya. Not running a fever are ya?

You know there is more to come Right, Pete?

 

[bubbabgone]

Holy moly and give that man a Maple Bacon Coffee Martini.. You alright Pete? You haven't been out in the Sun for to long have ya. Not running a fever are ya?
...
You know there is more to come Right, Pete?

I've always said there is a spark of humanity to be discovered in Pete.
But after we're finished exalting in this miracle we need to nurture this moment of clarity to the fullness of it's maturity.

 

[Μολὼν λαβέ]

The reason one of her aides took the the fifth is because he knew she broke the law.

Most likely they both broke the law. Add conspiracy to the charges.

 

[MMC]

I've always said there is a spark of humanity to be discovered in Pete.
But after we're finished exalting in this miracle we need to nurture this moment of clarity to the fullness of it's maturity.

I was doing so B :2wave: I just got off the phone with Clinton HQ as I was rubbing it on them that they now have lost one of their deep deep rank and file members. Plus I wanted to let them know about the Fat Lady.

 

[Exquisitor]

She certainly broke the law but how serious is the offense?

A) Did she use any of these e-mails to instruct the chain of command on Benghazi (before it occurred?)

This is the Executive's responsibility to correct.

What I would like would be for Mrs, Clinton to be arrested and charged with some minor offense. Then she can go before the Judge and explain why she feels she cannot fulfill her duties under the rules given. At least then she would learn she had done something wrong.

The prosecution for that Trayvon Martin killer should have included some minor charges as well; even terroristic threatening or at least disorderly conduct for his behavior on the phone. Take away his gun and put him on probation. This way he would have learned that he had done something wrong.

 

[roughdraft274]

Holy moly and give that man a Maple Bacon Coffee Martini.. You alright Pete? You haven't been out in the Sun for to long have ya. Not running a fever are ya?

You know there is more to come Right, Pete?

Are you just being jealous because he's being honest and you wish you could do the same? Or is there another reason for being a dick to a guy who simply reassessed a situation when given new information?

 

[eohrnberger]

After spending a considerable amount of time defending her, I realize she did, there is no way around it. She had top secret emails on her server and apparently sent them. This would have occurred even if she had a State Dept account. Those emails had the special coding that IC uses to identify them, but they didn't have "Top Secret" on them. Being a diplomat she didn't understand the IC coding however, she would have known it if they were marked that. The redundant information is put there because they know people don't understand the codes.

The reason one of her aides took the the fifth is because he knew she broke the law.

Hillary now knows she broke the law and that's why she is trying to cover it up, as we know that is worse than than the infraction. She needs to come out and explain herself to stop the bleeding.

Now that I've admitted she broke the law I am no longer defending her and will not entertain any post questioning her motivation.

Here is the story that made change my opinion:

The top Democrat on the Senate Intelligence Committee defended Hillary Clinton’s email practices on Thursday, saying media reports about classified information on the former secretary of state’s server did not make clear that Clinton hadn’t written any of the “top secret” emails.Two days after an inspector general said it found “top secret” information on Clinton’s unsecured email server, Sen. Dianne Feinstein of California accused news reports of “missing key points.” For example: “none of the emails alleged to contain classified information were written by Secretary Clinton,” she said — nor were they marked as “top secret” at the time they were sent.




Read more: Feinstein defends Clinton's email practices

Well, Pete, I'm glad that you've finally come to see reason. I'm also further glad that all this baseless 'defense in depth' on her behalf is going to stop.

What I don't understand is why you won't entertain any posts questioning her motivation for her deliberate actions. It's pretty clear cut and obvious, really, that she wanted to thwart any congressional oversight of her actions as SoS, thwart any congressional digging into the details of her tenure as SoS, as well as to thwart any FOIA requests for her government records and documents, which are legitimately owned by the electorate and should have access to, barring any information that would compromise national security, until such time as they wouldn't do so.

Hillary and her secretive and accountability avoiding ways, her unwillingness to have her actions be judged by any others seemingly beneath her (from her prospective anyway) thwarting accountability to any others regardless of how legitimate such holding accountable is.

Hillary herself screwed herself. No one else. No one else made her setup that private email server. No one else made her stonewall FIOA or congressional requests. No one else made her stall on these requests. Those are all her decisions, and the consequences from those are now what we'll have to come to grips with.

 

[MMC]

Are you just being jealous because he's being honest and you wish you could do the same? Or is there another reason for being a dick to a guy who simply reassessed a situation when given new information?

No I wouldn't be jealous unless he was tapdancing on your parade. As I feel that's my job. ALL the time and non stop, no matter how loud you think you can get.

Do you always try and use crystal balls to feign like you actually know something. Rather than just talk **** all the time.....try showing something other than your alleged smart powers that don't ever seem to help you out around here.

As clearly they went on the blink, Right here, Right now and again!

 

[pbrauer]

I'm not sure why that article, in particular, would make you change your mind...but welcome back from the Dark Side. ;-)

First I haven't gone to the dark side, I support any Democrat who makes it to the general election and that includes Hillary.

It wasn't just that article I posted, there was another letter I read from Grassley who said the emails had the IG coding, but he didn't say they had the words "Top Secret" on them. In the article I posted Diane Feinstein, who is the most knowleable about securty and former chairwomen of the Senate Intellgence Commitee, said the emails hey should have included those words. There was also the report I read from the IG who said some of emails were sent prematurely , which tells me they were almost ready to go, but were missing those words. The words "Top Secret" and the IG coding apppear to be redundant, but in reality they aren't because everyone is not knowlegable of the IG coding.

 

[Mycroft]

She certainly broke the law but how serious is the offense?

A) Did she use any of these e-mails to instruct the chain of command on Benghazi (before it occurred?)

This is the Executive's responsibility to correct.

What I would like would be for Mrs, Clinton to be arrested and charged with some minor offense. Then she can go before the Judge and explain why she feels she cannot fulfill her duties under the rules given. At least then she would learn she had done something wrong.

The prosecution for that Trayvon Martin killer should have included some minor charges as well; even terroristic threatening or at least disorderly conduct for his behavior on the phone. Take away his gun and put him on probation. This way he would have learned that he had done something wrong.

What on earth are you talking about?

1. What minor offense should Hillary be arrested and charged with?
2. What duties do you think Hillary cannot fulfill...and what rules are you talking about?
3. And the Trayvon Martin case??? Dude...that has absolutely nothing to do with Hillary!!

 

[pbrauer]

Well, Pete, I'm glad that you've finally come to see reason. I'm also further glad that all this baseless 'defense in depth' on her behalf is going to stop.

What I don't understand is why you won't entertain any posts questioning her motivation for her deliberate actions. It's pretty clear cut and obvious, really, that she wanted to thwart any congressional oversight of her actions as SoS, thwart any congressional digging into the details of her tenure as SoS, as well as to thwart any FOIA requests for her government records and documents, which are legitimately owned by the electorate and should have access to, barring any information that would compromise national security, until such time as they wouldn't do so.

Hillary and her secretive and accountability avoiding ways, her unwillingness to have her actions be judged by any others seemingly beneath her (from her prospective anyway) thwarting accountability to any others regardless of how legitimate such holding accountable is.

Hillary herself screwed herself. No one else. No one else made her setup that private email server. No one else made her stonewall FIOA or congressional requests. No one else made her stall on these requests. Those are all her decisions, and the consequences from those are now what we'll have to come to grips with.

I have said previously I wasn't going to address her motive and I'm not doing it now. Happy trails.

 

[MMC]

She certainly broke the law but how serious is the offense?

A) Did she use any of these e-mails to instruct the chain of command on Benghazi (before it occurred?)

This is the Executive's responsibility to correct.

What I would like would be for Mrs, Clinton to be arrested and charged with some minor offense. Then she can go before the Judge and explain why she feels she cannot fulfill her duties under the rules given. At least then she would learn she had done something wrong.

The prosecution for that Trayvon Martin killer should have included some minor charges as well; even terroristic threatening or at least disorderly conduct for his behavior on the phone. Take away his gun and put him on probation. This way he would have learned that he had done something wrong.

Indeed, she did break the law. Several of them. a Couple are serious. Although, as you can see some were still unaware. All due to, "just" what was in their own head.

 

[Mycroft]

First I haven't gone to the dark side, I support any Democrat who makes it to the general election and that includes Hillary.

It wasn't just that article I posted, there was another letter I read from Grassley who said the emails had the IG coding, but he didn't say they had the words "Top Secret" on them. In the article I posted Diane Feinstein, who is the most knowleable about securty and former chairwomen of the Senate Intellgence Commitee, said the emails hey should have included those words. There was also the report I read from the IG who said some of emails were sent prematurely , which tells me they were almost ready to go, but were missing those words. The words "Top Secret" and the IG coding apppear to be redundant, but in reality they aren't because everyone is not knowlegable of the IG coding.

sigh...

I know you can read, but you still seem to have problems understanding what you read.

1. I didn't say you've gone to the Dark Side...I implied that you returned from the Dark Side.

2. Your realization that Hillary broke the law really has nothing to do with her making it to the general election...at least, not in the scope of your thread.

In any case, I'm still confused about what caused your change of heart. That article about Feinstein basically said that Hillary wasn't at fault at all.

I don't know...maybe it was stuff that's come out since that article. Stuff that showed that, contrary to what Feinstein said, Hillary did, in fact originate emails and included classified information in them...which means she should have marked them as being classified...not to mention she should have kept them far, far away from her private server...and not to mention she lied numerous times when she made statements about no classified stuff on her server.

To me...THAT is the stuff that should convince anyone that she has broken the law. Not Feinstein's excuses or, even, quibbling about "coding".

 

[MMC]

sigh...

I know you can read, but you still seem to have problems understanding what you read.

1. I didn't say you've gone to the Dark Side...I implied that you returned from the Dark Side.

2. Your realization that Hillary broke the law really has nothing to do with her making it to the general election...at least, not in the scope of your thread.

In any case, I'm still confused about what caused your change of heart. That article about Feinstein basically said that Hillary wasn't at fault at all.

I don't know...maybe it was stuff that's come out since that article. Stuff that showed that, contrary to what Feinstein said, Hillary did, in fact originate emails and included classified information in them...which means she should have marked them as being classified...not to mention she should have kept them far, far away from her private server...and not to mention she lied numerous times when she made statements about no classified stuff on her server.

To me...THAT is the stuff that should convince anyone that she has broken the law. Not Feinstein's excuses or, even, quibbling about "coding".

Heya MC. :2wave: Feinstein shows why she needs to be removed from the Senate Intelligence Committee. With all her so called knowledge.....she would know the drill about using an unencrypted server. About handling, sending and receiving Classified Intelligence.

Moreover.....she would have to be one of the dumbest broads ever to make it to the Senate not putting two and two together over how the Russians and Chinese breached the State Dept and WH thru the State Dept.

 

[Mycroft]

Heya MC. :2wave: Feinstein shows why she needs to be removed from the Senate Intelligence Committee. With all her so called knowledge.....she would know the drill about using an unencrypted server. About handling, sending and receiving Classified Intelligence.

Moreover.....she would have to be one of the dumbest broads ever to make it to the Senate not putting two and two together over how the Russians and Chinese breached the State Dept and WH thru the State Dept.

I agree...but I'm not surprised by such stuff from her. After all, she is a true-blue Democrat and Hillary supporter. She will spin, twist and ignore anything if it suits her purpose.

 

[MMC]

I agree...but I'm not surprised by such stuff from her. After all, she is a true-blue Democrat and Hillary supporter. She will spin, twist and ignore anything if it suits her purpose.

Well she can accept collects call from her friends in prison. Her jumping out and defending Hillary means she can join the sinking ship too.

Next we will be hearing all the good Hillary has allegedly done. That surely it should count for something.



That is because under federal law, information is classified by nature, not by marking. As a result, federal classification authorities deemed that the information was classified the very second it originated, even if it was not marked as such until August 27, 2015. Also worthy of note is the fact that Hillary’s message is the only content in the entire document that is redacted and marked as classified. This means that she was not merely a helpless, passive recipient of classified national security information; she was the originator. And not only did she intentionally originate the classified information, she intentionally disseminated it via an unsecured, unsanctioned private e-mail server.

Hillary Clinton’s campaign team has repeatedly tried to dodge responsibility for her distribution of classified information by claiming the information was not marked at the time. However, the nature of Hillary’s secret, off-books private e-mail scheme made it impossible for government authorities to mark as classified any information that originated on Hillary’s private server, since they had no access to it. In fact, one of the newly released e-mails shows that the agency’s IT department had no knowledge of her private e-mail address and server scheme. <<<<< Seems her IT guy took the 5th, do you think he was there just to keep things from the press? As I don't.

In this May 2010 e-mail from Hillary Clinton, another large chunk of her message is redacted under the same 1.4(D) code and may not be declassified until 10 years have passed from the day Clinton sent the e-mail, rather than the date on which it was marked as classified. Once again, this declassification date shows that the information Clinton originated and disseminated was classified from the very beginning, even if it was not marked as such.....snip~

http://www.debatepolitics.com/break...received-plan-impeach-clarence-thomas-19.html

 

[ocean515]

After spending a considerable amount of time defending her, I realize she did, there is no way around it. She had top secret emails on her server and apparently sent them. This would have occurred even if she had a State Dept account. Those emails had the special coding that IC uses to identify them, but they didn't have "Top Secret" on them. Being a diplomat she didn't understand the IC coding however, she would have known it if they were marked that. The redundant information is put there because they know people don't understand the codes.

The reason one of her aides took the the fifth is because he knew she broke the law.

Hillary now knows she broke the law and that's why she is trying to cover it up, as we know that is worse than than the infraction. She needs to come out and explain herself to stop the bleeding.

Now that I've admitted she broke the law I am no longer defending her and will not entertain any post questioning her motivation.

Here is the story that made change my opinion:

The top Democrat on the Senate Intelligence Committee defended Hillary Clinton’s email practices on Thursday, saying media reports about classified information on the former secretary of state’s server did not make clear that Clinton hadn’t written any of the “top secret” emails.Two days after an inspector general said it found “top secret” information on Clinton’s unsecured email server, Sen. Dianne Feinstein of California accused news reports of “missing key points.” For example: “none of the emails alleged to contain classified information were written by Secretary Clinton,” she said — nor were they marked as “top secret” at the time they were sent.




Read more: Feinstein defends Clinton's email practices

Umm. Well, I guess there comes a point when it no longer pays to defend. However, I doubt this demonstration of egregious irresponsible behavior will have any impact on support from those who have been defending her.

That is probably the more interesting revelation in this email-gate scenario.

 

[MMC]

Well, Pete, I'm glad that you've finally come to see reason. I'm also further glad that all this baseless 'defense in depth' on her behalf is going to stop.

What I don't understand is why you won't entertain any posts questioning her motivation for her deliberate actions. It's pretty clear cut and obvious, really, that she wanted to thwart any congressional oversight of her actions as SoS, thwart any congressional digging into the details of her tenure as SoS, as well as to thwart any FOIA requests for her government records and documents, which are legitimately owned by the electorate and should have access to, barring any information that would compromise national security, until such time as they wouldn't do so.

Hillary and her secretive and accountability avoiding ways, her unwillingness to have her actions be judged by any others seemingly beneath her (from her prospective anyway) thwarting accountability to any others regardless of how legitimate such holding accountable is.

Hillary herself screwed herself. No one else. No one else made her setup that private email server. No one else made her stonewall FIOA or congressional requests. No one else made her stall on these requests. Those are all her decisions, and the consequences from those are now what we'll have to come to grips with.

Heya EB. :2wave: Gowdy already has her in a lie about giving up all of her emails to the Committee. As well as why she didn't give them to any ofther Benghazi Committees. Then she lied to him about a specific account she said she didn't have. Then they found it to be her 3rd email account. Then he has her in a lie stating she never sent Sidney Blumenthal any emails. Her excuse to deny that she was discussing classified information with someone who had no security clearance.

This is even before he starts her testimony. Which doesn't count anything else with her server. Nor transferring information from one server to another. Nor transferring to 3 thumb drives to give to her attorney, and most importantly not having any approval for security clearances with those other devices.

 

[WCH]

She certainly broke the law but how serious is the offense?

A) Did she use any of these e-mails to instruct the chain of command on Benghazi (before it occurred?)

This is the Executive's responsibility to correct.

What I would like would be for Mrs, Clinton to be arrested and charged with some minor offense. Then she can go before the Judge and explain why she feels she cannot fulfill her duties under the rules given. At least then she would learn she had done something wrong.

The prosecution for that Trayvon Martin killer should have included some minor charges as well; even terroristic threatening or at least disorderly conduct for his behavior on the phone. Take away his gun and put him on probation. This way he would have learned that he had done something wrong.

I suspect the ones she deleted involved influence peddling with wealthy foreigners.

 

[MMC]

I suspect the ones she deleted involved influence peddling with wealthy foreigners.

Yep WCH. :2wave: More than likely, now that they know she was conducting business with the Clinton Foundation on her private server. Seems her Team let those ones slip by.

 

[WCH]

Yep WCH. :2wave: More than likely, now that they know she was conducting business with the Clinton Foundation on her private server. Seems her Team let those ones slip by.

That right there would be grounds for treason.