NoJewsNoMuslims
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The 1st Amendment of the Constitution clearly says that citizens have the ABSOLUTE freedom to say what they choose. This includes "hate" speech. When someone says x is offensive or bigoted and says "you can't say that!", that person would be incorrect. The Constitution of this beautiful Nation says otherwise. " Hate" speech is an expression of how an individual feels. I'm for all people saying what they want. Period.
Unlimited freedom of speech is a bad idea. For instance, back when there were still Christian countries, publicly speaking against the faith was illegal. It's just that now, liberalism is the official ideology, so insulting its sacred cows is illegal/firable.
This is of course an awful situation, but the solution isn't to insist on more freedom, it's to make people realize that absolute freedom is an illusion.
Well, that was a terrible example.
The 1st Amendment of the Constitution clearly says that citizens have the ABSOLUTE freedom to say what they choose. This includes "hate" speech. When someone says x is offensive or bigoted and says "you can't say that!", that person would be incorrect. The Constitution of this beautiful Nation says otherwise. " Hate" speech is an expression of how an individual feels. I'm for all people saying what they want. Period.
The 1st Amendment of the Constitution clearly says that citizens have the ABSOLUTE freedom to say what they choose. This includes "hate" speech. When someone says x is offensive or bigoted and says "you can't say that!", that person would be incorrect. The Constitution of this beautiful Nation says otherwise. " Hate" speech is an expression of how an individual feels. I'm for all people saying what they want. Period.
The 1st Amendment of the Constitution clearly says that citizens have the ABSOLUTE freedom to say what they choose. This includes "hate" speech. When someone says x is offensive or bigoted and says "you can't say that!", that person would be incorrect. The Constitution of this beautiful Nation says otherwise. " Hate" speech is an expression of how an individual feels. I'm for all people saying what they want. Period.
That's the most asinine strawman I've seen in quite some time. No one is telling racists to quit being ignoramuses because it's against the Constitution. They're telling them to quite being ignoramuses for moral reasons. You're perfectly legally allowed to say "I think whites are the superior race," but that doesn't prohibit you from being a morally bankrupt buffoon. Those are separate things. (Likewise, just because I support a neo-nazi's right to say bigoted nonsense doesn't mean that I support the bigoted nonsense.)
We should probably teach them that safety is a fantasy first.but the solution isn't to insist on more freedom, it's to make people realize that absolute freedom is an illusion.
We should probably teach them that safety is a fantasy first.
What, precisely, is immoral about having a preference for one's own people.
First of all, that's a misrepresentation of what I said. I didn't say (then) that I had a disdain for people who prefer their own people, I said I held great disdain for racism. If "racism" is, in your mind, merely a preference for your own people, then either you need to look up the definition of racism to see why it's more than that. If you need moral instruction on why this is an appalling position, please read history books on America's (and Europe's) treatment of foreigners and other races. If that isn't transparently appalling to you, then there's little need for me to continue this conversation because it won't go anywhere.
Secondly, who is "your own people"? My "people" would be, largely, American's. And the extent of my preference for my "people" wouldn't include thinking all other people were inherently inferior and unworthy of my attention or moral consideration.
The 1st Amendment of the Constitution clearly says that citizens have the ABSOLUTE freedom to say what they choose. This includes "hate" speech. When someone says x is offensive or bigoted and says "you can't say that!", that person would be incorrect. The Constitution of this beautiful Nation says otherwise. " Hate" speech is an expression of how an individual feels. I'm for all people saying what they want. Period.
Agreed and as one that believe I should take responsibility for my words I believe every one else should also be responsible. Never forget that while we do have Freedom of Speech we do not have freedom from consequences that may result from our expression of our rights.
The question is whether the alleged emotional condition of the people in the room should decide the parameters of the conversation. Does truth get a pass even if it is not wanted and we agreed to forcibly restrict the conversation as to not upset the weak? I say it has to if we are going to survive but I seem to be a tiny minority.
There are any number of bars in Georgia and maybe a couple in Texaswhere the emotional condition in the room will most certainly decide the parameters of conversation of someone such as yourself, especially if you use terms such as "redneck" and "bubba", just to name a couple. The same could be said about speaking as you please in places in south Boston or south Philly.
There is a reason why people like you are a minority. Most do indeed have a tough time surviving. :lamo
When I was at Able2know a bunch of people told me " go into a bar and say that and see what happens" I said "Makes no difference, speaking truth is part of my code, and being connected to reality is a major part of my lifes work.
If you want your fantasies supported then you dont want to be around me. I am very dangerous to people like that. And I was bear up a lot as a kid, I did not betray myself than and I will certainly not do so now.
When I was at Able2know a bunch of people told me " go into a bar and say that and see what happens" I said "Makes no difference, speaking truth is part of my code, and being connected to reality is a major part of my lifes work.
If you want your fantasies supported then you dont want to be around me. I am very dangerous to people like that.I was beat up a lot as a kid, but I did not betray myself then and I will certainly not do so now.
1) Presentation is EVERYTHING.
2) Know your audience.
3) Just because you know the truth, doesn't mean you have to say the truth. Discretion is sometimes the better part of valor.
4) Pick your moments.
Good advice if one is looking to make friends, Dont rock the boat, ya, people who are making demands for better often get told this. For instance where did womens rights ever get before they stop being willing to be pacified and controlled.
Codes are not negotiable. People and places are either good enough for me or they are not.
Has nothing to do with making friends, and has nothing to do with being pacified or being controlled.. and has everything to do with getting your point noticed and accepted for it's validity. Every point I made is about getting your message out there in a way that it gets heard. If you don't follow rule #1, especially, your position will be irrelevant, regardless of what it is. Bulls in china shops just break things and are seen as a nuisance. Whatever value they hold pales in comparison to those things.
Has nothing to do with making friends, and has nothing to do with being pacified or being controlled.. and has everything to do with getting your point noticed and accepted for it's validity. Every point I made is about getting your message out there in a way that it gets heard. If you don't follow rule #1, especially, your position will be irrelevant, regardless of what it is. Bulls in china shops just break things and are seen as a nuisance. Whatever value they hold pales in comparison to those things.
Dang, I am not six, but just as I need to deal with others others need to deal with me. And more importantly need to deal with truth. You are very close to saying that it is not the value of the idea that counts but rather how well the one who speaks it jacks everyone in the room off first. Be careful with that.
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