Has Trump been conned into working toward a despotic cashless society? Sure seems that way (1 Viewer)

[johnwk]

See: Fact Sheet: President Donald J. Trump Modernizes Payments to and from America’s Bank Account


PHASING OUT PAPER CHECKS: Today, President Donald J. Trump signed an Executive Order to modernize how the government handles money, switching from old-fashioned paper-based payments to fast, secure electronic payments.

• The Order mandates that, effective September 30, 2025, the Federal government will cease issuing paper checks for all disbursements, including intragovernmental payments, benefits, vendor payments, and tax refunds.
• All executive departments and agencies must transition to modern, electronic funds transfer (EFT) methods like direct deposit, debit/credit card payments, digital wallets, and real-time transfers.
• Payments made to the Federal government, such as fees, fines, loans, and taxes, must also be processed electronically where permissible under existing law.
• Treasury will phase out physical lockbox services and expedite electronic collection of Federal receipts.

While the Trump Administration is 100% correct, and in perfect harmony with our Founder’s wisdom in using tariffs at our water’s edge to advance the best interests of America’s manufacturing base and having foreign manufactures paying for the privilege of doing business on American soil _ as one does at a flea marker when paying for their booth to sell their goods and wares and thus fill our national treasury _ our Founders would certainly view the Trump Administration’s move toward a cashless society as “. . . the mark of the Beast in Revelations . . . ” when they rejected allowing our government to make bank notes of any kind [which includes today’s Federal Reserve Notes] a “legal tender” in payment of debt SOURCE

Among the very consequences of the Trump Administration’s despotic move toward electronic banking and transactions are, it dissolves physical evidence of financial transactions, conducts trade in the shadow and not the substance, and relinquishes absolute control over every individual and businesses’ financial dealings to the hidden hand of government through government’s alleged innocuous electronic banking scheme.

And what happens when folks in a current Administration are upset with your political views and the political party you have registered with? Will your electronic account be erased or meddle with? How about the manner in which you spend your money? Keep in mind folks in government will have total awareness of every dime you spend. Could you be punished for a particular purchase or it be electronically invalidated at the point of an attempted purchase?

The omnipotent government power connected to moving toward a cashless electronic-based financial transactions system is very real and suggests there is a dangerous and subversive operative in the Trump Administration.

Forewarned is forearmed​

.
JWK

“Of all the contrivances for cheating the laboring class of mankind, none have been more effectual than that which deludes them with paper money. This is the most effectual of inventions to fertilize the rich man’s field by the sweat of the poor man’s brow.”__Senator Daniel Webster, May 25th, 1832

 

[Lycanthrope]

I mean, if this is what it takes for some people to join in opposition to Donald, so be it.

 

[Scatty Kitty]

So neo-feudalism. He just wants a neo-feudalistic society.

I demand my electronic castle.

 

[Manc Skipper]

American banking is archaic. I don't remember the last time I wrote out a "check". Mainly its a tap and go card these days, though curiously I am drawing the line at card only parking for reasons I din't entirely understand myself!

 

[noonereal]

I don't remember the last time I wrote out a "check".

My oil company charges extra for anything not cash or a check, so i use a check.

My septic tank guy only takes checks or cash.

My plumber only acceps cash or check

So those are 3 vendors I must use checks for.

 

[Peter]

The world will go cashless at some point but I don't think it should be for a while yet.
Maybe in 30 years or so.

 

[Peter]

My oil company charges extra for anything not cash or a check, so i use a check.

My septic tank guy only takes checks or cash.

My plumber only acceps cash or check

So those are 3 vendors I must use checks for.

Check?

Bloody hell is this the 1980's?
In the UK even tiny single person companies have the ability to take card transactions and we're still about a decade behind Japan in that area.
I'm sometimes amazed how behind the curve the US is in some areas.
We've had chip and pin here since 2003 and all cards had that feature by 2006.

 

[johnwk]

Total Financial Surveillance Is Only Possible in a Cashless Society

A push towards cashless-only payments will pave the way for ‘the inevitability of more granular surveillance than ever’, enabling scrutiny and control by banks, businesses and governments. ‘Beware the dangers of a cashless society’, says Silkie Carlo—Director of British civil liberties NGO Big...

www.cashmatters.org

 

[noonereal]

Check?

Bloody hell is this the 1980's?
In the UK even tiny single person companies have the ability to take card transactions and we're still about a decade behind Japan in that area.
I'm sometimes amazed how behind the curve the US is in some areas.
We've had chip and pin here since 2003 and all cards had that feature by 2006.

Lol

It is the exception that you need a check.

Calm down

 

[Peter]

Lol

It is the exception that you need a check.

Calm down

Fair enough.
It's just that cheques are pretty much none-existant in the UK.
I don't think banks even give you a chequebook unless you go in and ask.

 

[johnwk]

Rep. Luna Introduces Legislation to protect your privacy against government snooping​

Let us recall the warnings about the so-called Patriot Act, which turned out to be un-patriotic, and used as a vehicle against American citizens.

See: BREAKING: Rep. Luna Introduces Legislation to Repeal the USA Patriot Act

May 07, 2025

“For over two decades, rogue actors within our U.S. intelligence agencies have used the Patriot Act to create the most sophisticated, unaccountable surveillance apparatus in the Western world,” said Congresswoman Luna. “My legislation will strip the deep state of these tools and protect every American’s fourth amendment right against unreasonable searches and seizures. It’s past time to rein in our intelligence agencies and restore the right to privacy. Anyone trying to convince you otherwise is using ‘security’ as an excuse to erode your freedom.”

A government created and controlled cashless society opens the door to a notoriously evil opportunity for government surveillance of every financial transaction made by American citizens, and renders their privacy meaningless.

 

[noonereal]

I don't think banks even give you a chequebook unless you go in and ask.

Same.

I was wondering however, how can I pay my property taxes without a physical check?

I belive only checks and cash are accepted. In the past I used my checking account but like you say, my new account offers no checks.

 

[Lycanthrope]

Who might this dangerous subversive operative in the Trump Administration be, and how could s/he overcome Donald's very good brain so thoroughly?

 

[VanceMack]

How the hell does someone equate government no longer issuing checks to "Trump is creating a cashless society!!!"

 

[johnwk]

How the hell does someone equate government no longer issuing checks to "Trump is creating a cashless society!!!"

Camel, nose under tent . . . e.g., USA Patriot Act

 

[Helix]

Man, all of this small government conservatism. Enjoy having all of your spending tracked even more than it already is if this happens.

 

[iguanaman]

See: Fact Sheet: President Donald J. Trump Modernizes Payments to and from America’s Bank Account


PHASING OUT PAPER CHECKS: Today, President Donald J. Trump signed an Executive Order to modernize how the government handles money, switching from old-fashioned paper-based payments to fast, secure electronic payments.

• The Order mandates that, effective September 30, 2025, the Federal government will cease issuing paper checks for all disbursements, including intragovernmental payments, benefits, vendor payments, and tax refunds.
• All executive departments and agencies must transition to modern, electronic funds transfer (EFT) methods like direct deposit, debit/credit card payments, digital wallets, and real-time transfers.
• Payments made to the Federal government, such as fees, fines, loans, and taxes, must also be processed electronically where permissible under existing law.
• Treasury will phase out physical lockbox services and expedite electronic collection of Federal receipts.

While the Trump Administration is 100% correct, and in perfect harmony with our Founder’s wisdom in using tariffs at our water’s edge to advance the best interests of America’s manufacturing base and having foreign manufactures paying for the privilege of doing business on American soil _ as one does at a flea marker when paying for their booth to sell their goods and wares and thus fill our national treasury _ our Founders would certainly view the Trump Administration’s move toward a cashless society as “. . . the mark of the Beast in Revelations . . . ” when they rejected allowing our government to make bank notes of any kind [which includes today’s Federal Reserve Notes] a “legal tender” in payment of debt SOURCE

Among the very consequences of the Trump Administration’s despotic move toward electronic banking and transactions are, it dissolves physical evidence of financial transactions, conducts trade in the shadow and not the substance, and relinquishes absolute control over every individual and businesses’ financial dealings to the hidden hand of government through government’s alleged innocuous electronic banking scheme.

And what happens when folks in a current Administration are upset with your political views and the political party you have registered with? Will your electronic account be erased or meddle with? How about the manner in which you spend your money? Keep in mind folks in government will have total awareness of every dime you spend. Could you be punished for a particular purchase or it be electronically invalidated at the point of an attempted purchase?

The omnipotent government power connected to moving toward a cashless electronic-based financial transactions system is very real and suggests there is a dangerous and subversive operative in the Trump Administration.

Forewarned is forearmed​

.
JWK

“Of all the contrivances for cheating the laboring class of mankind, none have been more effectual than that which deludes them with paper money. This is the most effectual of inventions to fertilize the rich man’s field by the sweat of the poor man’s brow.”__Senator Daniel Webster, May 25th, 1832

Meanwhile it is taking me over 3 months to change my direct deposit info with Social Security to another bank.

 

[VanceMack]

Camel, nose under tent . . . e.g., USA Patriot Act

You are barking under the wrong tree. You are trying to add 1 + dumptruck = grapefruit.

If you were actually concerned about this you should have stood up in 2022 and 2023...when the Biden administration and the rat party actually endorsed a digital currency plan.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/03/11/tech/us-digital-dollar-cbdc/index.html

https://thehill.com/opinion/finance/599768-biden-is-planning-a-new-digital-currency-heres-why-you-should-be-very-worried/

Biden signs executive order that could bring U.S. one step closer to a digital currency

The Biden administration is throwing its support behind further study and development of what would be known as a U.S. Central Bank Digital Currency.

www.nbcnews.com

None of the left-wingnuts were upset over it then...and today you are trying to turn a shoelace into a glass slipper.

 

[Revelation]

Total Financial Surveillance Is Only Possible in a Cashless Society

A push towards cashless-only payments will pave the way for ‘the inevitability of more granular surveillance than ever’, enabling scrutiny and control by banks, businesses and governments. ‘Beware the dangers of a cashless society’, says Silkie Carlo—Director of British civil liberties NGO Big...

www.cashmatters.org

oh STOP it mr John

what next, you will be an outcast like me on this forum, with a Bright Light into the future.

wanna talk to them about Total Surveillance such as CBDC and Blockchain technology that monitors you down to the Penny ??

huh?

please don't wake this forum up my friend, they are still freaking out over Dark Maga screaming 'conspiracy' or 'tin foil'.

admit it, this will never happen, (stop believing yur own eyes please) CBDC is a 'bankers dream' which we are half way there with the 'fed now' program that has Overhauled the banks.

hmmm. good articles but please suspend you right from any more, that is my Department of non forum notice.

 

[Revelation]

See: Fact Sheet: President Donald J. Trump Modernizes Payments to and from America’s Bank Account


PHASING OUT PAPER CHECKS: Today, President Donald J. Trump signed an Executive Order to modernize how the government handles money,

thank you, we like 'efficiency'.

• All executive departments and agencies must transition to modern, electronic funds transfer (EFT) methods like direct deposit,

good, zip zip zip............zip code or better.

• Payments made to the Federal government, such as fees, fines, loans, and taxes, must also be processed electronically where permissible under existing law.
• Treasury will phase out physical lockbox services and expedite electronic collection of Federal receipts.

Trump Administration’s move toward a cashless society as “. . . the mark of the Beast in Revelations . . . ”

learn about what the 'federal reserve' is my friends. you will never be the same. (it is not 'federal' and they have no reserves. it is more like Fed Ex a private corportation)
https://avalon.law.yale.edu/18th_century/debates_816.asp

And what happens when folks in a current Administration are upset with your political views and the political party you have registered with? Will your electronic account be erased or meddle with?

erase or frozen accounts ? nonsense, that only happened in Canada during the Trucker's strike; can't happen here: never.

How about the manner in which you spend your money? Keep in mind folks in government will have total awareness of every dime you spend. Could you be punished for a particular purchase or it be electronically invalidated at the point of an attempted purchase?

only if you are on the Blue team cause they are corrupt.

The omnipotent government power connected to moving toward a cashless electronic-based financial transactions system is very real and suggests there is a dangerous and subversive operative in the Trump Administration.

LOL, wait till CBDC and Blockchain tech come knocking. can you hear the Clinking of yur chains, or do i have to post articles galore on this also that you will dismiss ?


besides that John, this is all Fake News: https://duckduckgo.com/?t=ffab&q=CBDC+warning&ia=web


https://cointelegraph.com › news › tom-emmer-pro-stablecoin-bill-cbdcs-un-american

America must back pro-stablecoin laws, reject CBDCs — US Rep. Emmer​

Mar 12, 2025"CBDC technology is inherently un-American," Emmer said at the hearing, warning that allowing unelected bureaucrats to issue a CBDC "could upend the American way of life." ...

https://dailyhodl.com › 2023 › 06 › 15 › us-treasury-official-warns-against-privacy-abuse-with-incoming-cbdc

US Treasury Official Warns Against Privacy Abuse With Incoming CBDC​

Jun 15, 2023A US Treasury official is warning of the risk of privacy violations with the potential launch of a central bank digital currency (CBDC). In a new
https://bankingjournal.aba.com › 2023 › 09 › aba-warns-against-cbdc-adoption

ABA warns against CBDC adoption | ABA Banking Journal​

Sep 13, 2023A central bank digital currency is unnecessary in the U.S. and would present unacceptable risks and costs to the financial system, the American Bankers Association said today in a statement to the House Financial Services Subcommittee on Digital Assets,

Forewarned is forearmed​

John, no one is listening. please go away, thank you. groan.


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[JMR]

Same.

I was wondering however, how can I pay my property taxes without a physical check?

I belive only checks and cash are accepted. In the past I used my checking account but like you say, my new account offers no checks.

Here, for a (rather large) fee, you can use a Discover Card for property taxes.... If you happen to have a Discover Card, and IF you don't mind paying a fee for the privilege of paying your taxes. It's just as easy to write a check. The bank issues a checkbook free of charge.

 

[Real blank]

It’s going that way anyway. You could just paste in anyone else

 

[donhughesmusic]

We just moved, and the property management company would ONLY take a check.

 

[noonereal]

Here, for a (rather large) fee, you can use a Discover Card for property taxes.... If you happen to have a Discover Card, and IF you don't mind paying a fee for the privilege of paying your taxes. It's just as easy to write a check. The bank issues a checkbook free of charge.

I have ti pay for a checkbook.

But considering I only need one every decade or so it's not a big deal.

 

[Mycroft]

See: Fact Sheet: President Donald J. Trump Modernizes Payments to and from America’s Bank Account


PHASING OUT PAPER CHECKS: Today, President Donald J. Trump signed an Executive Order to modernize how the government handles money, switching from old-fashioned paper-based payments to fast, secure electronic payments.

• The Order mandates that, effective September 30, 2025, the Federal government will cease issuing paper checks for all disbursements, including intragovernmental payments, benefits, vendor payments, and tax refunds.
• All executive departments and agencies must transition to modern, electronic funds transfer (EFT) methods like direct deposit, debit/credit card payments, digital wallets, and real-time transfers.
• Payments made to the Federal government, such as fees, fines, loans, and taxes, must also be processed electronically where permissible under existing law.
• Treasury will phase out physical lockbox services and expedite electronic collection of Federal receipts.

First of all, you are conflating two different issues and incorrectly blaming Trump for both of them.

Yes, Trump wants the executive branch to get with the real, modern world of digital payments. Given the ability of Americans to use their money digitally throughout society and business, it only makes sense for the federal government to allow the same.

I have a friend who lives in HUD subsidized, low income housing. Every month, she has to go buy a money order so she can pay her rent. HUD doesn't allow her to pay with her debit card...hell, it won't even let her pay with cash. She has to pay with a money order or some kind of banking instrument (check, cashier's check, etc.)

This executive order, it appears, will allow my friend to pay her rent online just like she pays her car insurance.

But...that is a completely different issue than the government control of everyone's money/bank account you speak of. Just opening up the government to digital money transactions won't make that control happen. What you should be fearing is Central Bank Digital Currency (CBDC).

I'm not going to get into the issue of CBDC here...it's really a topic that deserves its own thread...but I'll just mention that Trump and his administration is firmly AGAINST it. Heck, that's why Trump supports digital currency that is NOT under the control of the central bank (bitcoin and the like).