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Hamas Says It Agrees to Release All Hostages in Gaza

Metric Mouse said:
I can't imagine how the families of these living hostages feel, finally having their loved ones back.
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I can't imagine how the families, relatives and friends of the 60,000 innocent Muslim civilians bombed and killed by the IDF feel, knowing they'll never see them again. But I guess those deaths are a fair price to pay for the deaths of 1200 Jews. Correct?
 
snakestretcher said:
Tigerace knows his stuff. Just because you don't like reality and prefer your pro-Israel propaganda, doesn't make him wrong.
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Would you care to cite a particular post on this thread-- since I have not read everything in it -- in which either you or Tigerace cite some support from a source COMPLETELY independent from Hamas propaganda?
snakestretcher said:
Besides, what Hamas did, as nasty as it was, pales into insignificance compared with the decades of murders, brutality and oppression suffered by the Palestinians under Israeli control.
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Nope, Hamas provoked the war so that Israel would kill a bunch of civilians. There might be a handful of specific abuses by the IDF, but the majority of casualties fall upon the non-existent consciences of Hamas leaders. And if you're reaching back pre Oct 7 as Tigerace did, it's only your contention that all of those "murders" were committed against conscientious freedom fighters, when in fact most were justified strikes against terrorists. Now that Hamas has shown as an organization that it values the Palestinian people far less than Israel does, all of the earlier flapdoodle about Israeli "murders" becomes even more problematic, EVEN with the admission that Israel is not going to make itself look bad. Your side wants to yell genocide, but the genocide was perpetrated by Hamas, on their own people.
 
The relations of all those dead Muslims ought to be supporting ANYONE who offers an alternative to Hamas. Have you not heard that once Israel withdrew from Gaza, Hamas soldiers began killing those precious remaining citizens? Their reason for so doing is pure terror, to keep the citizens from even forging loose affiliations with other parties. It would be fun to send the "No Kings" protesters to Gaza and let them see what real tyranny is like.
 
snakestretcher said:
I can't imagine how the families, relatives and friends of the 60,000 innocent Muslim civilians bombed and killed by the IDF feel, knowing they'll never see them again.
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For sure.

That's why the release of these hostages is so important. Let it be the start of peace for everyone. Even Hamas must understand this.
 
snakestretcher said:
"High confidence"?
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Yes. In the intelligence world that means that it is supported by multiple observations from different sensors, each confirming the other, and there is no credible evidence contradicting it.

Evidence?
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As cited for you repeatedly:

...The ultimate assessment that the strike was not the result of an Israeli weapon was based on two primary factors, the officials said. First, the damage from the strike was consistent with a rocket, and not an Israeli munition, such as a bomb dropped from the air or an artillery round, which would have caused significant structural damage to the hospital building and left a large crater. Videos and images show “only light structural damage,” one of the officials said.

Second, analysts were able to track the trajectory based on videos shot from four locations. Two cameras captured the flight of the projectile, which analysts judge to have been launched within the Gaza Strip, the official said. The rocket then traveled northeast, and about 10 seconds after launch, the motor became unstable, the official said. The rocket’s plume fluctuated in intensity, and a few seconds later, analysts observed a large flash. That, the official said, was the motor failing. As a result of the failure, the rocket changed direction, the official said. The rocket came apart and the motor struck the ground, followed by the warhead, which landed at the hospital and caused a large explosion, the official said.​


Of course, you don't care about that because your purpose here is not to try to get at the truth or present an honest depiction of events, but rather to act as a partisan on behalf of HAMAS, whom you continue to refuse to admit lied. :-/
 
Metric Mouse said:
For sure.

That's why the release of these hostages is so important. Let it be the start of peace for everyone. Even Hamas must understand this.
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Of course they understand it. They just don't want it. Their founding charter has 330 direct references to Islam, jihad, and fighting until Islam obliterates Israel.

The religious component for Hamas is 100%. The charter says:
  • Allah is its target, the Prophet is its model, the Koran its constitution: Jihad is its path and death for the sake of Allah is the loftiest of its wishes.
  • So-called peaceful solutions ... are in contradiction to the principles of the Islamic Resistance Movement.
  • There is no solution for the Palestinian question except through Jihad.
  • The Palestinian problem is a religious problem, and should be dealt with on this basis.
The Qur'an teaches them:
  • (2:154) Do not consider those who are slain for the cause of Allah to be dead. They are alive but you are unaware of them
  • (9:111) Allah has purchased from the believers their lives and their properties; for the price that theirs shall be the Paradise. They fight in Allah's Cause, so they kill and are killed."

Every civilian death creates another martyr in the holy cause of destroying Israel while Hamas and international demonstrators cry crocodile tears and shout 'genocide' for the benefit of Western cameras and the useful idiots who lap that shit up. But, behind the curtain, their religious beliefs allow them to rationalize that the civilians they conscript as propaganda fodder will live forever in paradise. Win-win.

Let the usual deflections from the usual brigade of propagandists begin.
 
Funnily enough, given Israel’s genocide, nobody in Gaza is particularly interested in supporting Israeli collaborators like the “Popular Forces”…. Especially given the fact those collaborators spent all their time looting aid trucks
 
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