Guntopia

[Antiwar]

Gun proponents seem to believe that complete gun freedom would be wonderful for the world. Post your reasoning.

 

[mrdeltoid]

Gun proponents seem to believe that complete gun freedom would be wonderful for the world. Post your reasoning.

The question assumes facts not in evidence.

 

[Antiwar]

The question assumes facts not in evidence.

I hope that stupid saying dies a painful death, before the new year.

 

[tshade]

Gun proponents seem to believe that complete gun freedom would be wonderful for the world. Post your reasoning.

Like all other freedoms = limits

 

[mrjurrs]

I hope that stupid saying dies a painful death, before the new year.

It's not a stupid saying, it is a legitimate response to fanciful ideas.

 

[Antiwar]

Like all other freedoms = limits

I'm looking for Guntopia proponents to make their case.

 

[Antiwar]

It's not a stupid saying, it is a legitimate response to fanciful ideas.

Homecheese didn't have anything good to post to question the thread theme, so he posted that crap.

 

[Mr Person]

Framing: you're doing it wrong

 

[Gateman_Wen]

The question assumes facts not in evidence.

Yeah? What gun controls are you ok with?

 

[MamboDervish]

The question assumes facts not in evidence.

No it doesn't. The author of the OP was describing how things seem to him - and he's not alone. They seem that way to me, too.

 

[BirdinHand]

I’ve yet to hear one person that you’d consider a “gun proponent” say that “complete gun freedom would be wonderful for the world”

Care to share where you’re getting that idea from? Do you have a source, a quote, an article?

Or are you just making it up?

 

[Rich2018]

Gun proponents seem to believe that complete gun freedom would be wonderful for the world. Post your reasoning.

And when some psychopath goes on a mass shooting spree and is eventually killed by a gun owner, this is somehow a "win" for society.

 

[MamboDervish]

I’ve yet to hear one person that you’d consider a “gun proponent” say that “complete gun freedom would be wonderful for the world”

Care to share where you’re getting that idea from? Do you have a source, a quote, an article?

Or are you just making it up?

I won't presume to speak for the OP, but I've yet to hear a single gun proponent approve of any single proposed regulation, or law, that's designed to reduce, or even just delay, putting more guns in the hands of the public. Moreover, I've never heard a single gun proponent propose a single restriction to keep guns out of anyone's hands. So, given that history, it's perfectly reasonable to infer that the position of gun proponents might be "complete gun freedom would be wonderful for the world."

 

[Antiwar]

I won't presume to speak for the OP, but I've yet to hear a single gun proponent approve of any single proposed regulation, or law, that's designed to reduce, or even just delay, putting more guns in the hands of the public. Moreover, I've never heard a single gun proponent propose a single restriction to keep guns out of anyone's hands. So, given that history, it's perfectly reasonable to infer that the position of gun proponents might be "complete gun freedom would be wonderful for the world."

Gun proponents often say guns are a "God-given" right. They're conflating self-defense with guns when they do that, whether they know it or not.

There's a thread in this forum about a "**** gun control" open source gun that's supposedly being used in Myanmar to fight for freedom.

Gun proponents want more guns in more places.

Gun proponents like to say that their 2A gun rights protect every other American's rights; that we'd have no rights without them supposedly keeping the soon-to-be tyrannical government at bay.

 

[Chase Morgan]

And when some psychopath goes on a mass shooting spree and is eventually killed by a gun owner, this is somehow a "win" for society.

Exactly

Some maniac could mow down dozens before the "good guy with a gun" even knows what the hell is happening...

 

[noonereal]

Gun proponents seem to believe that complete gun freedom would be wonderful for the world. Post your reasoning.

They have no "reasoning" for this belief. They have want void of substance..

 

[Rich2018]

Exactly

Some maniac could mow down dozens before the "good guy with a gun" even knows what the hell is happening...

But it's still a "win" in gun owners' "book"

 

[soylentgreen]

I’ve yet to hear one person that you’d consider a “gun proponent” say that “complete gun freedom would be wonderful for the world”

Care to share where you’re getting that idea from? Do you have a source, a quote, an article?

Or are you just making it up?

You need to understand how the pro gun crowd works. They do not say anything out right but instead make use of innuendo and implication. That allows them to then say that they did not say what they implied when their bluff is called and then run away from the fact that someone has pointed out that what they have implied such as no regulation on guns is an idiotic statement.

 

[Court Jester]

Gun proponents seem to believe that complete gun freedom would be wonderful for the world. Post your reasoning.

What is your definition of "complete gun freedom"? Do you mean the freedom to own any type of gun? Do you mean the ability to carry any kind of gun anywhere you wish? Do you mean the right of anyone to own a gun, including felons, drug addicts, crazy people, or small children?


Also, "by the world" are you anticipating a one world government where one set of laws applies to all? For example: Do you mean that oppressed people like the Tibetans should be afforded firearms for self protection and to insure a chance at self determination under the Chinese regime?

Please be more specific if you wish people to respond.

 

[TurtleDude]

Gun proponents seem to believe that complete gun freedom would be wonderful for the world. Post your reasoning.

I see a strawman argument . Every advocate of gun owners' rights support laws that criminalize people using firearms to commit murder, rape, or robbery. I don't know any gun rights advocates saying it should be legal to shoot high powered rifles in say central park or Times Square. so your thread is based on lies

 

[TurtleDude]

Like all other freedoms = limits

gun banners are quick to dismiss the rights, and pretend all that exist are limits-without ever explaining where governments get that power to impose limits

 

[TurtleDude]

No it doesn't. The author of the OP was describing how things seem to him - and he's not alone. They seem that way to me, too.

only to those who are ignorant. find me a gun rights advocate who supports armed robbery or murder

 

[Antiwar]

I see a strawman argument . Every advocate of gun owners' rights support laws that criminalize people using firearms to commit murder, rape, or robbery. I don't know any gun rights advocates saying it should be legal to shoot high powered rifles in say central park or Times Square. so your thread is based on lies

So the 2A isn't an inalienable right, after all.

 

[TurtleDude]

You need to understand how the pro gun crowd works. They do not say anything out right but instead make use of innuendo and implication. That allows them to then say that they did not say what they implied when their bluff is called and then run away from the fact that someone has pointed out that what they have implied such as no regulation on guns is an idiotic statement.

sort of like certain posters who claim they only are upset with bad arguments for owning guns, when in reality they are attacking the right to own guns

 

[TurtleDude]

So the 2A isn't an inalienable right, after all.

You haven't proven you understand what the term means. You also seem ignorant of the constitution. Your right to life, in some states of the union, may be terminated through due process of law, as can be your freedom.