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Gun used by illigal immigrant in killing belonged to federal agent

San Francisco Chronicle has lots more on the affair.

Here's one telling us why the perp was on the street.
Why the man was released from detention when ICE had asked to take custody from San Francisco officials is THE question. Feinstein scalds S.F. for freeing man accused in pier killing

After all, we all know that the Marxist Kenyan has totally destroyed the Border Patrol during his time in office, ensuring the border with Mexico is like a freeway of degenerate "rapists" flowing into the country - so this killing must be his and the "Democrap" Party's responsibility.

Naturally, there are some who prefer to accuse their opponents of being the true cause behind the death of a woman for no other reason than politics. S.F. killing sparks national outrage, likely political fallout
 

So do you think, coming from another country other than ours where guns are everywhere, he had to find instructions on how to operate it? It would be intuitive for an American since it rains guns here, but for a Mexican national? It had to be a very confusing time for this man having come from such a peaceful place.
 
Kobie said:
Well, it's pretty hard to tell with you, since you rarely present an argument that isn't a strawman.
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Well, it's pretty hard to tell with you, since you rarely present an argument.
 

So which was it? Was he shooting at sea lions or did the weapon "accidentally" discharge three times? And BTW, how does that happen?

I want to know how the federal agent's personal firearm was stolen out of a car and how it got into this guy's possession. I also want to know what agency he worked for.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2015/07/07/man-charged--san-franciso-waterfront-shooting---arraigned/29811735/
 
CMPancake said:
Or you know, the responsibility could fall on the killer himself, or the Federal Agent that owned the gun. But lets ignore personal responsibility and play the fun game of politics!
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Did the Fed give him the gun?
 

we are not part of the problem and trying to lay a guilt trip on us if we don't support incremental steps gun banners want is silly.
 
Kobie said:
What "liberal" have you seen blame either for this murder?
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none at this point since I don't know all the facts as to who is responsible and I have no idea what the politics of the killer is
 
So where is the call to ban the Mexican flag?
 
I really don't see the importance of whether it was the Fed's personal or service gun: in either case, he and every non-felon US citizen, has a right to bear arms thus he was in no way wrong for being robbed. Don't blame the victim. Furthermore, the lunacy of gun registration, waiting periods, or "assault weapon" bans would not have prevented this tragedy. The only thing that might have is to actually enforce immigration law, and part of that is diligently deporting anyone in the country illegally every time they are in the country illegally. The accused had been in the US since 2009, it's not like he just popped over the border. I think we can agree that the only way one could be sure that the accused didn't kill the victim is if he wasn't in the same country at all.

That's the real issue, that's the crux of the matter: every single person in the country illegally is, by definition, a criminal since they have broken immigration law. They may, or may not, be good people otherwise, but given the willingness to break this federal law, it is hardly a stretch to posit that they as a group would statistically be more inclined to break others. The present case is someone at the end of the bell curve, but given my first point and crime statistics, not as far as a random sample of US citizens.
 
CMPancake said:
Or you know, the responsibility could fall on the killer himself, or the Federal Agent that owned the gun. But lets ignore personal responsibility and play the fun game of politics!
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Seriously. The only entertaining thing about this story is watching the sudden rush some of those on the right to blame policies and other things for a murder instead of the focus being on the killer, and some of those on the left to continually downplay those and suggest a focus on the killer. It's like Bizarro-Mass Shooting-world.
 
Chomsky said:
FWIW -

Fox has a bit more detail as to the gun's history, and the defendant's narrative of the homicide:

Foxnews.com - 'Gun allegedly used by San Francisco shooting suspect belonged to federal agent, source says'
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Thanks for that link. The story seems strange to me--he heard the gun fire 3 times? Found it wrapped in a T shirt?

Call me a cynical and suspicious bastard, but I can't help but wonder if somehow this is related to something like Fast & Furious? He wanted to shoot sea lions?
 

Those on the right have never cared about illegal immigration except as a talking point. That's why they revere Ronald Reagan: the only president to give blanket amnesty to illegal immigrants.
 

I find it less entertaining than banning a flag over a crazy white kid. But yes, Barry and buddies own this one. They are responsible for existing immigration law not being enforced.
 
CMPancake said:
Or you know, the responsibility could fall on the killer himself, or the Federal Agent that owned the gun. But lets ignore personal responsibility and play the fun game of politics!
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This post is repeated because of my gob-smacked utter disbelief that it was posted by a liberal.

Well done.
 
reinoe said:
Those on the right have never cared about illegal immigration except as a talking point. That's why they revere Ronald Reagan: the only president to give blanket amnesty to illegal immigrants.
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Well, as a conservative I look at the Reagan program as a lesson learned. It didn't work, it accelerated illegal immigration. Democrats either don't learn from history or want to accelerate illegal immigration.
 
TheDemSocialist said:
I thought you guys were all about "personal responsibility". What happened?
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And I thought liberals were all about blaming "gun violence" on, well, guns. I mean, instead blaming other liberals. What happened?
 
WSUwarrior said:
Democratic immigration policy is as responsible for this cold blooded murder as the murderer himself.
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It wasn't your gun was it? :lamo
 

:lamo :lamo :lamo :lamo
 
My theory is a bit more pragmatic - either he or an associate broke into the agent's car stealing the gun, and then the incident involving the actual shooting was a run-of-the mill crime of passion or opportunity.

But, who knows?
 

I thought Biden said "this is a big effin deal"
 

How would that have helped this case considering where the gun came from?
 
Ahlevah said:
And I thought liberals were all about blaming "gun violence" on, well, guns. I mean, instead blaming other liberals. What happened?
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1.) I'm not a liberal
2.) Just pointing out the hypocrisy
 
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