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Gun-seizure laws grow in popularity since Parkland shooting

I couldn't care less if you want me to do that-not going to happen.

No link? LOL, Obviously I knew you had none, I set you up.

and isn't it interesting about the "bad guy" in your story not having a gun?

You lost big time in this exchange. By your own hand. LOL
 
No link? LOL, Obviously I knew you had none, I set you up.

and isn't it interesting about the "bad guy" in your story not having a gun?

You lost big time in this exchange. By your own hand. LOL

How did I lose anything? I don't see anyone who actually has credibility on this subject making that claim. I had no idea if they were armed or not. I was jumped in an alley and hit in the face hard before I shot one of them. I wasn't even placed under arrest-that ought to tell you something
 
They weren't common use, and they were unusually dangerous, thus the amendment.

what makes a select fire M4 unusually dangerous compared to a semi auto only one
 
They weren't common use, and they were unusually dangerous, thus the amendment.

The "in common use for lawful purposes" criterion didn't come into existence until 22 years after Hughes. What made it necessary to ban the sale of new legal machine guns, given the apparent success of NFA 1934 in keeping them from being used in criminal acts?
 
State constitutions. City laws.
States Constitutions authority is derived from and affirmed via the tenth Amendment. “The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.”. State laws/local municipalities draw their authority from the State’s Constitution, within parameters of the United States Constitution (with respect to the Supremacy Clause).

Red flag laws are preemptive on the possibility that someone might commit a crime.
You’re correct. Temporarily removing firearms, pending a formal hearing, from an individual deemed by a judge to potentially be a hazard to him/herself is a preemptive measure.

Speaking of preemptive ^^. Another case where the judge found that the police did not have a duty to preemptively act. Again, the judges decision was not related to a duty to protect at the time of need.

Not a Constitutional issue. Public duty doctrine is a personal injury law principle. PDD does not free police officers from their duty to protect citizens in need of their help.
Ex; I’m being mugged and a cop happens on the scene. The officer is obligated to render assistance.
 
The word "need" doesn't appear any where in the Bill of Rights.

Outlawing guns is unconstitutional. Confiscating private property without due process is unconstitutional.
Deal with it.

Sorry, but the SCOTUS, with Antonin Scalia leading the way, disagree with your interpretation of the Bill of Rights. I don't know where you got this crazy idea that the Bill of Rights means any crazy person can carry any crazy weapon they want, anywhere they want. It's pretty silly.
 

The Supreme Court never said that outlawing guns is constitutional. You need to stop telling that lie.
 
The Supreme Court never said that outlawing guns is constitutional. You need to stop telling that lie.

Sure they did. They have been saying that since the 19th century. Where have you been?

Here is justice Scalia himself to explain the majority opinion of the SCOTUS on this:

 
Sure they did. They have been saying that since the 19th century. Where have you been?

Here is justice Scalia himself to explain the majority opinion of the SCOTUS on this:

Notice the conjunctions:

"explained that the right was not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose"

What guns were outlawed in the 19th century, and which SCOTUS decision affirmed that?
 
Notice the conjunctions:

"explained that the right was not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose"

What guns were outlawed in the 19th century, and which SCOTUS decision affirmed that?

Why does that matter? Scalia was not writing in the 19th century.
 
Sure they did. They have been saying that since the 19th century. Where have you been?

Here is justice Scalia himself to explain the majority opinion of the SCOTUS on this:

Scalia was talking about nukes and surface-to-air missiles and stuff like that.
 
Why does that matter? Scalia was not writing in the 19th century.

It matters because you made the claim that the court has been saying it since the 19th century.
 

Might you be able to show a link to any SCOTUS case at all that determines that the police and the state DOES have a responsibility to provide for the safety of its citizens? I'm betting you cannot.
 
Scalia was talking about nukes and surface-to-air missiles and stuff like that.

They didn't have nukes in the 19th century. Nice try, though. You may want to try again.
 
Might you be able to show a link to any SCOTUS case at all that determines that the police and the state DOES have a responsibility to provide for the safety of its citizens? I'm betting you cannot.
I’m betting you haven’t read/understood all that I’ve posted.
 
It matters because you made the claim that the court has been saying it since the 19th century.

He was saying that the SCOTUS has been saying it since the 19th century, and he is saying it now.

Bless your heart, you are really furiously trying. It's a little sad to see how much of a pretzel you are trying to twist this into.
 

Show us anywhere that these people have been able to go to court and address their accusers.
where has due process been done so that it isn't a guy in a court room by himself with a judge making
accusations that someone cannot defend against?

that is like the terrorist watch list and FISA courts all unconstitutional implementations of government run a muck with too much power.


some hand guns run 300-400 bucks. an AR15 will cost you 1000 easily for a decent one.
 
They didn't have nukes in the 19th century. Nice try, though. You may want to try again.

Like you said, Scalia was alive in the 19th Century. :lamo
 
Why does that matter? Scalia was not writing in the 19th century.

You made the claim that SCOTUS has been saying that outlawing guns is Constitutional since the 19th century. Please cite the case.
 
Sure they did. They have been saying that since the 19th century. Where have you been?

Here is justice Scalia himself to explain the majority opinion of the SCOTUS on this:

as long as you have the right permit you are capable of own any weapon you want.
you are 100% wrong on this.
 
He was saying that the SCOTUS has been saying it since the 19th century, and he is saying it now.

Bless your heart, you are really furiously trying. It's a little sad to see how much of a pretzel you are trying to twist this into.

No, YOU said it:

Sure they did. They have been saying that since the 19th century. Where have you been?

Here is justice Scalia himself to explain the majority opinion of the SCOTUS on this:
 
I’m betting you haven’t read/understood all that I’ve posted.

You are correct. This is the first post of yours that I recall seeing or reading.

And my criticism/comment and question still stands: can you show a SCOTUS decision deciding that police and authorities have an obligation or duty to provide for the safety of its citizens?

A simple yes or no would suffice.

Maybe you and I agree on something, but I think the other poster is correct that at least one court decision has made it clear that no state or its employee can be found liable for failing to provide safety to its citizens.
 
You made the claim that SCOTUS has been saying that outlawing guns is Constitutional since the 19th century. Please cite the case.

Scalia is not good enough a citation for legal history and case precedents now?
 
Scalia is not good enough a citation for legal history and case precedents now?

"that the right was not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose"

You do know this doesn't support outlawing any weapons, right?
 
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